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Offline waldo

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and this one is kinda sweet; as in CPC Ontario MP David Sweet traveling over the holiday period to the U.S.; Sweet who was the chair of the HOC Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, no less.

clearly, he's had a good patrician run and is taking leave with an announcement that he intends to retire from federal politics while offering up the ole chestnut of wanting to spend more time with the fam!  ;D

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O’Toole would rather prisoners spread COVID to the community than they get the vaccine if they’re deemed to be high risk spreaders.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/01/06/Opposing-Prisoner-Vaccination-Erin-O-Toole-Unmasked/

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The federal government’s COVID-19 vaccination effort includes a plan to immunize high-risk prisoners in federal prisons — people who are old or sick. The initial wave of vaccinations will reach 600 inmates, about four per cent of the prison population.

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O’Toole was predictably outraged, and equally predictably took to Twitter.

“Not one criminal should be vaccinated ahead of any vulnerable Canadian or frontline health worker,” he harrumphed.

In one sentence, O’Toole evoked both the callousness of the Stephen Harper government and its unwillingness to leave such decisions to experts who actually make them based on evidence, rather than political calculation.

In this case, public health officials looked at the evidence and decided that, based on the goals of saving lives and preventing the spread of COVID-19, some prisoners should be included in early vaccination efforts.

That’s not surprising. Prisons are crowded, inmates and guards are in close proximity around the clock, and many inmates are unhealthy.

O’Toole’s position is, basically, tough. If they die, they die.

The problem with the Conservative’s stance on this is that ignores all science and advice from medical experts on the best way to stop the spread of COVID in favour of feeding their “tough-on-crime” base. 
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Conservative MPs ....    they can’t get out of their own fuckin’ way.   MANY party members seem to want the violence we see in the USofA, it seems.



https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5865727
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The Conservative Party is using the exact same rhetoric about “rigging elections” as Trump.   Are they this fuckin’ daft?

https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/election-rigging/?fbclid=IwAR0HYOqX4Wmthd5j_4LuvB-VNhWUOX48tUSHQy0pQKp7A9BJjhKe-_V-LpE

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Justin Trudeau is rigging the next election in his favour

The next step is to claim the results don’t count, or the election was stolen, when the Conservatives lose next time there’s an election.
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The Conservative Party is using the exact same rhetoric about “rigging elections” as Trump.   Are they this fuckin’ daft?

https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/election-rigging/?fbclid=IwAR0HYOqX4Wmthd5j_4LuvB-VNhWUOX48tUSHQy0pQKp7A9BJjhKe-_V-LpE

The next step is to claim the results don’t count, or the election was stolen, when the Conservatives lose next time there’s an election.

404 error that say 'Justin Trudeau promised you something and it's not here'

They're literally blaming Trudeau for information they took off their own website

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404 error that say 'Justin Trudeau promised you something and it's not here'

They're literally blaming Trudeau for information they took off their own website

Wow....  now they’re hiding their harmful, Trump-like rhetoric...  I guess they think that accusing Trudeau of taking down their garbage is somehow funny?


https://www.narcity.com/en-ca/news/conservative-party-accused-justin-trudeau-of-rigging-the-election-deleted-it

https://thinkpol.ca/2021/01/08/canadas-conservatives-under-fire-for-promoting-election-rigging-conspiracy-theories-echoing-trump/

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The Conservative Party is using the exact same rhetoric about “rigging elections” as Trump.   Are they this fuckin’ daft?

Yes.
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404 error that say 'Justin Trudeau promised you something and it's not here'

They're literally blaming Trudeau for information they took off their own website

Maybe he stole it.  :D

I kid i kid.
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Kenney 'slightly' dusting off the ethical oil position... while also threatening legal avenues. Kenney has no qualms in speaking for, "a country that takes the challenges of climate change seriously", while also positioning to extend upon his UCP government's rescind of the decades-old policy that banned open-pit coal mines in Rockies and Foothills

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So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7584508/derek-sloan-erin-otoole/

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Conservative Party Leader Erin O’Toole says he has initiated the process to remove MP Derek Sloan from the party’s caucus after he accepted a donation from a “well-known white supremacist,” Paul Fromm.
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“Racism is a disease of the soul, repugnant to our core values,” O’Toole said.  “It has no place in our country. It has no place in the Conservative Party of Canada. I won’t tolerate it.”
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In a series of tweets, Sloan said he became aware of the donation Monday afternoon, saying Fromm, “a person with known connections to racist groups, donated $131 to my campaign.”  Sloan said, “at no time was I ever aware of this donation,” adding that his campaign received over 13,000 separate donations, which were handled by volunteers.

I think the boot is arguably reasonable, assuming Sloan indeed knew he received this donation from a white supremacist with neo-nazi ties, which Sloan is denying per above.  Maybe this is just the last straw and Sloan has been a thorn in their side for a while.

I'm just wondering why politicians aren't raked over the coals more for all sorts of corrupt and dirty donations they receive all the time from various sources.
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So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7584508/derek-sloan-erin-otoole/

I think the boot is arguably reasonable, assuming Sloan indeed knew he received this donation from a white supremacist with neo-nazi ties, which Sloan is denying per above.  Maybe this is just the last straw and Sloan has been a thorn in their side for a while.

After the crazy crap from this guy, they’re now looking for any excuse to give him the boot...   if it was the normal batshit crazy religious/conspiracy nonsense from this guy, the CPC would look like they weren’t “accepting of other views”, and may alienate some of their batshit crazy supposrters.

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I'm just wondering why politicians aren't raked over the coals more for all sorts of corrupt and dirty donations they receive all the time from various sources.

Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

I think Harper was of the opinion that money should do the talking in politics.    I think that’s still the CPC position and also the Liberal position these days.

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Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

I think Harper was of the opinion that money should do the talking in politics.    I think that’s still the CPC position and also the Liberal position these days.

I looked at my the list of political donations to my local city counselor.  It was filled with people connected to real estate development.  I guess when housing developers want to obtain the green light to develop more land for it pays to grease the palms a bit.  Donations were limited too but CEOs would put donations through all their family members.
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Chretien brought in an unpopular, but very effective, way of publicly funding political parties.  It took away corporate and union donations and limiting single donations to a very small amount.  It worked very well at minimal cost to taxpayers, but Harper got rid of it. 

Harper strengthened the donation rules, thankfully. He was actually the one that lowered the personal donation limit to $1000 (indexed to inflation) per person. Chretien was the one that got rid of corporate and union donations, and slashed limits to $5000.

On the other hand, Harper selfishly got rid of the per vote subsidy for political parties. It was a great way for every vote to count, even in a FPTP system.


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oh my!

So apparently O'Toole is trying to boot Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation of $131 from a known white supremacist who has chummed with neo-nazis:

Elections Canada records show a 'Frederick P. Fromm' donated $131 to Sloan in August 2020... one of some ~ 13,000 separate donations made to Sloan's campaign run for the leadership of the CPC. Sloan states he wasn't aware, highlights the name distinction (not Paul Fromm) and puts a degree of onus on 'his team' for not recognizing the donor name.

Quote from: Blustering and outraged CPC leader, Erin O'Toole
Derek Sloan's acceptance of a donation from a well-known white supremacist is far worse than a gross error of judgment or failure of due diligence.

Sloan also emphasizes the CPC's expectation of an excessive standard of donor scrutiny; one the CPC doesn't even have as it:
=> accepted 10% of the donation
=> accepted the donor's party membership request / granted the donor membership in the CPC
=> allowed the donor to vote in the CPC  leadership election

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