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« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2020, 01:47:20 pm »
No I hold them responsible for their actions. not words or intentions, but the things they actually did.



Douglas had no power to act on his words, who knows what he would have done if he did.
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« Reply #91 on: December 17, 2020, 01:56:17 pm »
Douglas had no power to act on his words, who knows what he would have done if he did.

He was Premier of Sakatchewan which meant he would have had ample opportunity to put his views into practice. So what was his record in that regard? I'll tell you: he reversed his stance on eugenics after seeing first hand what it was like and as far as the gay thing goes, he opposed the criminalization of homosexuality (which is the context of his infamous quote on mental illness). So while his views were not as evolved as would be the norm today, he at least showed compassion and a willingness to change his mind and a consistent desire to help people. And as far as I know no one starved or was beaten to death because of his views.
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« Reply #92 on: December 17, 2020, 03:14:18 pm »
He was Premier of Sakatchewan which meant he would have had ample opportunity to put his views into practice. So what was his record in that regard? I'll tell you: he reversed his stance on eugenics after seeing first hand what it was like and as far as the gay thing goes, he opposed the criminalization of homosexuality (which is the context of his infamous quote on mental illness). So while his views were not as evolved as would be the norm today, he at least showed compassion and a willingness to change his mind and a consistent desire to help people. And as far as I know no one starved or was beaten to death because of his views.

Not as a Premier he didn't. Who is to say the proponents of residential schools wouldn't have changed their minds if they had lived into the mid 20th century.
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« Reply #93 on: December 17, 2020, 03:21:54 pm »
Not as a Premier he didn't.

What specific views are you claiming he would have pursued if he had the power to do so? and more importantly, why does it matter?

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Who is to say the proponents of residential schools wouldn't have changed their minds if they had lived into the mid 20th century.

Who cares?
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« Reply #94 on: December 17, 2020, 08:25:12 pm »
I can see how someone as intensely dedicated to maintaining their own ignorance as you would find that statement confusing, but it's quite straightforward. The debate about removing statues has done more for educating people about history than the statues themselves could do and have ever done.

LOL "literally"

If you think taking down statues and changing names of institutions is "erasing history" you also probably still think your mommy disappears during a game of peek-a-boo.

Speaking of erasing history, I see you're now following the company line into the "anti-globalist", anti-immigration, anti-foreign intervention populist right, which is quite the change from the pro-Iraq war, pro big business Shady I remember. I guess if you don't stand for anything you'll fall for everything.
Regardless, they’re not your statues to take down.  There’s a process to doing that.  BLM thugs have no right to remove any statue that’s not theirs.

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« Reply #95 on: December 17, 2020, 08:27:51 pm »
Regardless, they’re not your statues to take down.  There’s a process to doing that.  BLM thugs have no right to remove any statue that’s not theirs.

Moving the goalposts I see?

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« Reply #96 on: December 17, 2020, 08:44:56 pm »
Moving the goalposts I see?

No one even mentioned statues, except people who think residential schools were a good idea. 
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« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2020, 10:27:44 am »
No one even mentioned statues, except people who think residential schools were a good idea.

It's very funny to see him go from "YoU'Re eRaSing hiStoRy!"to "um...have you gone through the proper channels for erasing history?"
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« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2020, 11:36:46 am »
It's very funny to see him go from "YoU'Re eRaSing hiStoRy!"to "um...have you gone through the proper channels for erasing history?"
Both are true.

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« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2020, 11:37:56 am »
No one even mentioned statues, except people who think residential schools were a good idea.
Yes, it was mentioned by others.  Black Dogg took offence to people not agreeing with erasing history.

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What specific views are you claiming he would have pursued if he had the power to do so? and more importantly, why does it matter?

Who cares?

As a premier he couldn't enact laws that would reflect his views on homosexuality. Yes it does matter because you can't judge people on what they did if they had no power to do it in the first place. We judge people with homophobic and misogynist views all the time regardless of their powers to do anything about them.
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Both are true.

You actually have a stronger case for the idea of having a dialogue about what to do with these things than your moronic "ErAsiNG HiStOrY" line.

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Yes, it was mentioned by others.  Black Dogg took offence to people not agreeing with erasing history.

First off, spell my name right. Second, I'd ask to expand on how it's erasing history but I know you haven't put more than 30 seconds thought into it, it's just something you read on one of your chud websites. Stupid in, stupid out.

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As a premier he couldn't enact laws that would reflect his views on homosexuality. Yes it does matter because you can't judge people on what they did if they had no power to do it in the first place.

You can't judge people on hypotheticals either dude.

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We judge people with homophobic and misogynist views all the time regardless of their powers to do anything about them.

Yes but there's nothing that stands out about Douglas's views in historical context. If anything, he was more progressive on the issue for the time than those who would continue to criminalize it.



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in opposition to public health guidelines: as first set off by public reaction and expressed concerns over the international traveling ways of provincial MPPs, at least for now, as I'm aware, the NDP's 'Niki Ashton' is the only MP to reveal (or be 'caught') having left the country over the recent weeks/holiday period... with the ND party responding with a forceful public announcement that Ms. Ashton would be stripped of her opposition critic roles.

as the reigning drama queen and victim-player, CPP MP Rempel showed impeccable timing by showcasing her pityPouting even before Niki Ashton's situation was recognized.

in the video linked above, BuffaloGal Rempel hearkens back to the early pandemic days and her many-months spent "working" virtually from Oklahoma - I do believe for some part of that period where Rempel was the member from Oklaberta, she did not make it public that she was actually out of the country. Again, reactive timing has MP Rempel railing against Ontario MPP Philips for, apparently, his compromising her ability to travel to see her hubby/family in OK! And also taking a rather predictable shot at, as she states, "vulturous CBC reporters" who would catch her doing so... even though it was the Toronto Star that first made her virtual antics public those many months back!

even though its provincial, how about a special shout-out to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney giving his (3... and counting) MLAs a pass... cause he personally didn't set a policy of 'no travel'... while also emphasizing no laws were broken!  ;D
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It astounds me that these people have to be told not to leave the country.
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