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Offline eyeball

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #315 on: October 19, 2021, 12:55:13 am »
Quote from: waldo on October 19, 2021, 12:00:48 am
no - I provided the missing context that purposely misinforming O'Toole/CPC supporters fail to include/mention - try rereading it again, hey!
Like providing the missing consensus that was never included/mentioned by Trudeau when he pledged no more FPTP?  Okay,  I get that.

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #316 on: October 19, 2021, 03:13:33 pm »
Quote from: waldo on October 19, 2021, 12:25:28 am
waldo, isn't that the guy who was instrumental in phasing out Ontario's coal-fired power plants... and bringing in the federal carbon tax? That's a helleva chestnut, hey! Yes waldo, it's clear Butts' key architect role for both Liberal McGuinty's and PM Trudeau’s electoral victories positions him as the arch-nemesis to failed Conservative supporters!

Not to mention to economic growth and balanced budgets, WALL-E.

But then, economic growth is not really on the Liberal party agenda, now is it.
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #317 on: February 01, 2022, 11:22:01 am »
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MPs opposed to O'Toole's leadership have collected enough signatures — 35 so far — to hold a secret ballot to decide his fate, sources said.
. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/erin-otoole-leadership-review-caucus-1.6334491

Will O’Toole survive the vote by MPs?

There are 119 Con MPs.  What are the chances that 60 vote to oust him?  35 (30%) already signed a petition to do so…. They need 25 more.

35 already seems like a lot.  Can you govern your party effectively when 30% of your MPs are openly out to get you, and a number of others are secretly out to get you?

Popcorn time!! 

I would like to see the PC wing kick out the SoCon/Alberta/Sask wing.  Just for entertainment value, it would be good.  But it would also get rid of a fringe group that shouldn’t hold as much political power that they do, given their numbers.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #318 on: February 01, 2022, 11:30:42 am »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on February 01, 2022, 11:22:01 am

I would like to see the PC wing kick out the SoCon/Alberta/Sask wing.  Just for entertainment value, it would be good.  But it would also get rid of a fringe group that shouldn’t hold as much political power that they do, given their numbers.

Seems unlikely.  They can't shake the loud minority of anti-environment anti-trade anti-progress types and these are the ones calling O'Toole Trudeau lite. 

Frankly, the NDP seems more likely to be opposition and maybe even government in the medium term.
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #319 on: February 01, 2022, 11:35:20 am »
a vote on O'Toole's leadership... as early as tomorrow!

geezaz, Liberal supporters are so 'scared' that the Cons will {finally} do the right thing and select #PigeonPierre as their next party leader! Don't do it, for the luv of gawd, don't do it!

waldo factoid: a vote by 50%+1 of the 119 sitting Conservative MPs would force O'Toole to make way for an interim leader immediately.

media musings:
=> sources tell CBC News that O'Toole's caucus opponents believe they have the necessary votes, with at least 60 MPs agreeing that he has to go
=> according to the Globe and Mail, sources claim that they have at least 63 of 119 Conservative members who will vote O’Toole out



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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #320 on: February 01, 2022, 11:55:35 am »
Quote from: waldo on February 01, 2022, 11:35:20 am
a vote on O'Toole's leadership... as early as tomorrow!

geezaz, Liberal supporters are so 'scared' that the Cons will {finally} do the right thing and select #PigeonPierre as their next party leader! Don't do it, for the luv of gawd, don't do it!
 

oh FFS ... if they do this they should just throw in the towel ... the fringe PPC types are running the show - vocally denouncing any climate action, etc. 

Dunno...
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #321 on: February 02, 2022, 01:42:47 am »
Feb 2020 - this certainly aged well!

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #322 on: February 02, 2022, 08:44:14 am »
CPC can't get out of its own way.

If they move further to the Right, it'll be hard to see them ever getting broad suburban support in Eastern Canada.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #323 on: February 02, 2022, 10:01:35 am »
Quote from: Boges on February 02, 2022, 08:44:14 am
CPC can't get out of its own way.

If they move further to the Right, it'll be hard to see them ever getting broad suburban support in Eastern Canada.

I propose this:

1. Right 10-20% go join the PPC and take them to 10-15% of electorate
2. Remainder go to Liberals
3. Left 20% of Liberals go to NDP

When all falls out you will have Liberals and NDP in the mainstream where they belong and a happy minority of hard right that can support the odd Liberal govt. from time to time...
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #324 on: February 02, 2022, 12:27:22 pm »
O’Toole is out!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otoole-leadership-vote-1.6336336
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The result wasn't particularly close: 73 of the 118 MPs on hand — the party's caucus chair, Scott Reid, did not cast a ballot — voted to replace O'Toole with someone else.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #325 on: February 02, 2022, 12:31:34 pm »
oh FFS....

BLAM !  Other foot... shot...

NICE WORK CONVOY YOU REALLY PUT THE BOOTS TO TRUDEAU
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #326 on: February 02, 2022, 12:36:47 pm »
Quote from: MH on February 02, 2022, 12:31:34 pm
oh FFS....

BLAM !  Other foot... shot...

NICE WORK CONVOY YOU REALLY PUT THE BOOTS TO TRUDEAU

Cons really do think that winning 20% more in Alberta/Saskatchewan is the path to power….  It’s delusional. 

I wonder is this means Sloan will be back in as an MP…?? 
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #327 on: February 02, 2022, 01:01:50 pm »
Quote from: MH on February 02, 2022, 12:31:34 pm
oh FFS....

BLAM !  Other foot... shot...

NICE WORK CONVOY YOU REALLY PUT THE BOOTS TO TRUDEAU

Owning turdeau by handing him another majority government.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #328 on: February 02, 2022, 01:03:41 pm »
Quote from: Black Dog on February 02, 2022, 01:01:50 pm
Owning turdeau by handing him another majority government.

Wrong - successive majorities - until they go back to the far-right darlings that are unelectable for a few elections... by that time we will have Freeland as PM.

One party rule... meh
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #329 on: February 02, 2022, 01:11:30 pm »
Quote from: MH on February 02, 2022, 01:03:41 pm
Wrong - successive majorities - until they go back to the far-right darlings that are unelectable for a few elections... by that time we will have Freeland as PM.

One party rule... meh

It's not great, but the Cons have only themselves to blame.
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