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Offline waldo

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breaking news... niggling member eyeball would be fine with ranked balloting!

Offline eyeball

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breaking news... niggling member eyeball would be fine with ranked balloting!
Yawn...strawman.

Offline waldo

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no - not a strawman... at all! If you're going to forevah whine about Electoral Reform, than you should be ready to acknowledge... accept... that in all the related review processes, no clear choice emerged for an alternative system of voting. What did become clear is the problem that can occur with proportional representation and the negative influence that fringe parties can hold over a functioning government!

surely you're not one of those wanting change just for the sake of change - surely!

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It’s sheer stupidity to try and divide the country into 2 camps…. Us and them.  What a piece of sh!t move by the Cons.

I’m no Lib supporter.  And I am even LESS likely to be a Con supporter after telling me, ”you’re either one of us, or you’re one of them”.

Really? Remember this Liberal add from 2006.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNZtCH9Mdo
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no - not a strawman... at all! If you're going to forevah whine about Electoral Reform, than you should be ready to acknowledge... accept... that in all the related review processes, no clear choice emerged for an alternative system of voting. What did become clear is the problem that can occur with proportional representation and the negative influence that fringe parties can hold over a functioning government!

surely you're not one of those wanting change just for the sake of change - surely!

Bull, he promised electoral reform legislation within 18 months of forming government.

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-pledges-to-end-first-past-the-post-electoral-system-if-elected-1.2424905
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Really? Remember this Liberal add from 2006.


Really!  Why don’t you bring this up with a Liberal supporter?  Didn’t I just mention that I’m not one?  But, when you do use your “whataboutism” with Lib supporters, you may want to try something more recent than 15 years ago.




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Really!  Why don’t you bring this up with a Liberal supporter?  Didn’t I just mention that I’m not one?  But, when you do use your “whataboutism” with Lib supporters, you may want to try something more recent than 15 years ago.

Really. Two wrongs don't make a right but they both do it. As a matter of fact, they all do it.

Harper won that election and 9 years later we were still waiting to see, "Soldiers in the streets, with guns". They did make it up.
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Really. Two wrongs don't make a right but they both do it. As a matter of fact, they all do it.

Harper won that election and 9 years later we were still waiting to see, "Soldiers in the streets, with guns". They did make it up.

I’m not sure what you are debating here…. Or with whom. 

I am not a Lib supporter.

I didn’t think that was a good, or accurate, or truthful ad 15 years ago.

But it was 15 years ago….   Seriously…. You may want to find something from Libs that isn’t 15 years old that they did wrong.


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I’m not sure what you are debating here…. Or with whom. 

I am not a Lib supporter.

I didn’t think that was a good, or accurate, or truthful ad 15 years ago.

But it was 15 years ago….   Seriously…. You may want to find something from Libs that isn’t 15 years old that they did wrong.

No doubt you could if you bothered to look.
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No doubt you could if you bothered to look.

So I can not support the Libs even more? 

I’m beginning to think that you agree with O’Toole’s tweet that there’s two choices, not five?  But you don’t want to actually defend that, you just want to point out the “Libs did it 15 years ago”!

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So I can not support the Libs even more? 

I’m beginning to think that you agree with O’Toole’s tweet that there’s two choices, not five?  But you don’t want to actually defend that, you just want to point out the “Libs did it 15 years ago”!

For Liberal and Conservative supporters there have always been only two choices.

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That's why we will never see electoral reform from either one of them.
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Offline Mr. Perfect

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For Liberal and Conservative supporters there have always been only two choices.

I don’t disagree.  They have been lying about this for as long as I’ve been a voter and paid attention.

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That's why we will never see electoral reform from either one of them.

Agreed.  Trudeau found the first opportunity to jump off of the electoral reform platform that the Libs ran on.

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no - not a strawman... at all! If you're going to forevah whine about Electoral Reform, than you should be ready to acknowledge... accept...
Yes, pure strawman. You've never been ready to accept or acknowledge the dishonesty of any government run by the Liberal party - just as you can't accept that dishonest government is always at the heart of my schtick.

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surely you're not one of those wanting change just for the sake of change - surely!
No just simple straightforward honesty from those who govern us will do - a paradigm shift to a partisan lickspittle I'm sure.

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Really? Remember this Liberal ad from 2006.

FFS member wilber! How many times does this need to be beat-back? That so-called ad never ran... it was never approved to run. It was put up on the Liberal Party website by a staffer for all of 15 minutes or so - and then pulled at the request of party leader Martin after he saw it.

quit making shyte up, hey!

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FFS member wilber! How many times does this need to be beat-back? That so-called ad never ran... it was never approved to run. It was put up on the Liberal Party website by a staffer for all of 15 minutes or so - and then pulled at the request of party leader Martin after he saw it.

quit making shyte up, hey!

Guess that's why it was all over the media. Good way to get free advertising.
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