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The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« on: December 15, 2020, 09:19:37 pm »
O'Toole says that residential schools were made to "provide education" to indigenous people. 

What he ignores is that they were to be educated that their culture, languages and people were simply savages.  The schools were meant to destroy their culture and assimilate them into the colonist's version of Canada.  Even Harper admitted these things in Canada's apology to First Nations people. 

O'Toole on the other hand, when the cameras are off, thinks they were set up for a noble reason and that to say otherwise, you're a dumb lefty.

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“Most of the lefty radicals are also the dumbest people at your university,” O’Toole said at the outset of the video.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7524601/erin-otoole-says-residential-schools-created-to-provide-education-but-became-horrible

What a disgusting attitude.  At least the crackpots in the CPC aren't hiding their true feelings in the shadows and only come out when they don't think the cameras are rolling.  O'Toole will tell his supporters that he's with them....  while pretending to hold mainstream Canadian views.  Apparently, to acknowledge that residential schools were a bad thing is to be a  dumb woke lefty...   in my view, acknowledging that residential schools were set up to destroy indigenous culture is patently obvious and clearly a mainstream view that looks at facts and evidence to draw this conclusion.


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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2020, 11:29:23 pm »
O'Toole says that residential schools were made to "provide education" to indigenous people. 

What he ignores is that they were to be educated that their culture, languages and people were simply savages.  The schools were meant to destroy their culture and assimilate them into the colonist's version of Canada.  Even Harper admitted these things in Canada's apology to First Nations people. 

O'Toole on the other hand, when the cameras are off, thinks they were set up for a noble reason and that to say otherwise, you're a dumb lefty.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7524601/erin-otoole-says-residential-schools-created-to-provide-education-but-became-horrible

What a disgusting attitude.  At least the crackpots in the CPC aren't hiding their true feelings in the shadows and only come out when they don't think the cameras are rolling.  O'Toole will tell his supporters that he's with them....  while pretending to hold mainstream Canadian views.  Apparently, to acknowledge that residential schools were a bad thing is to be a  dumb woke lefty...   in my view, acknowledging that residential schools were set up to destroy indigenous culture is patently obvious and clearly a mainstream view that looks at facts and evidence to draw this conclusion.

Sure he took a political shot but was what he said about the schools inaccurate?
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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2020, 12:22:28 am »
Sure he took a political shot but was what he said about the schools inaccurate?

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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2020, 01:46:24 am »
Sure he took a political shot but was what he said about the schools inaccurate?

The schools were as noble and educational as the man who beats his wife to teach her a lesson about not burning dinner.
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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2020, 07:29:38 am »
The schools were as noble and educational as the man who beats his wife to teach her a lesson about not burning dinner.

That’s right. He also thinks he’s doing what’s best for her. It’s a paternalistic attitude that has no place in the now.

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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2020, 08:53:33 am »
The Beaverton to the rescue, as usual:

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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2020, 09:06:03 am »
The schools were as noble and educational as the man who beats his wife to teach her a lesson about not burning dinner.

He said they were terrible. I’m also sure the people who started them thought they were doing them a favour by erasing their culture.
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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2020, 09:20:31 am »
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Well, were any schools started under PET or Chrétien? That’s a question, I don’t know.
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Re: O'Toole, CPC and Residential Schools
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2020, 11:17:23 am »
He said they were terrible. I’m also sure the people who started them thought they were doing them a favour by erasing their culture.

Yeah, they sure did.  And the fact that the schools were about erasing culture, front and centre, should never be downplayed by anyone, especially not an MP and the leader of the opposition.

Downplaying the reasons for the schools also downplays indigenous people’s experiences at the hands of these “teachers”. 

“The fact is, that if you wish to educate those children you must separate them from their parents during the time they are being educated. If you leave them in the family they may know how to read and write, but they still remain savages, whereas by separating them in the way proposed, they acquire the habits and tastes — it is to be hoped only the good tastes — of civilized people.”
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2020, 12:22:22 pm »
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2020, 12:23:28 pm »
Yep
It's sad that telling the truth makes people so unhappy.

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2020, 12:29:15 pm »
Here’s a good take on O’Toole’s disturbing opinions of residential schools:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7525232/erin-otoole-residential-schools/amp/
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History, and human decency, tells us that residential schools represent some of the darkest days in our Canadian history. Aboriginal children were taken from their parents and their culture and forcibly indoctrinated into Christian beliefs.

Yet, O’Toole spins a quite different picture. He asserts that Ryerson and the other architects of this racist residential school system only meant to try to provide education to indigenous children.

That’s like saying that southern plantation owners were only offering enslaved black people employment opportunities in North America.

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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2020, 12:43:59 pm »
Here’s a good take on O’Toole’s disturbing opinions of residential schools:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7525232/erin-otoole-residential-schools/amp/
His take is completely accurate.  They were meant to be places of education, but ended up being something very different.  How is this even controversial? 
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2020, 12:52:04 pm »
His take is completely accurate.  They were meant to be places of education, but ended up being something very different.  How is this even controversial?

They were meant to be places to strip away the culture of indigenous kids by removing them from their parents.

I guess that can be classified as an “education”....  if you’re rather sick in the head.
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Re: The Official Opposition thread (was O’Toole thread)
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2020, 01:17:07 pm »
Here’s a good take on O’Toole’s disturbing opinions of residential schools:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7525232/erin-otoole-residential-schools/amp/

It was without a doubt a political cheap shot. My question is, was what he said factually accurate?

The people who started these schools thought they were doing the right thing, what they became and what was done to these kids by many of the people running the schools is another matter.

We judge these people through eyes 150 years later. No doubt people 150 years from now will sanctimoniously judge the things we say and do according to their standards. I doubt we will measure up.

The first residential schools were instituted a mere 47 years after slavery was abolished in the British Empire. Racism was fashionable at the time, the Empire was at its height. These were people of their time acting according to the conventions of their time. As abhorrent as we find these things now, it doesn't make them bad people.
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