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Offline Granny

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #555 on: February 24, 2020, 12:50:43 pm »
who is the "we" you presume to speak for? Who do you represent?

Anybody who chooses to agree with me that we're pushing back at rich Albertans acting like stupid and violent thugs towards the rest of the country.
"Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark",
 "Turn off the taps"
"What are you **** freaks doing here?! Come on outside! Come on, freak!"
"Run them over!"
"Send the trains through!"
And a whole host of racial epithets towards Indigenous peoples.

Albertans can get with the program, get on the renewable energy gravy train, or not.

And they could do with some lessons in manners and decency, instead of business and government leaders who set an example by inciting hatred and violence towards the rest of the country.

I WISH Alberta could separate, and take all of its contaminated land, water and air with it ... because the rest of us are going to be paying to clean that up for for a VERY long time!

If it wasn't for throwing subsidies at Alberta to appease their violent tempers, we'd all be using renewable energy by now.

I will admit I'm feeling a bit more impatient than usual right now. Albertans can take back a little of what they dish out, for a change. My natural eastern politeness is under a but of strain at present.  Lol

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #556 on: February 24, 2020, 02:03:29 pm »
Anybody who chooses to agree with me that we're pushing back at rich Albertans acting like stupid and violent thugs towards the rest of the country.
"Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark",
 "Turn off the taps"
"What are you **** freaks doing here?! Come on outside! Come on, freak!"
"Run them over!"
"Send the trains through!"
And a whole host of racial epithets towards Indigenous peoples.

Albertans can get with the program, get on the renewable energy gravy train, or not.


And they could do with some lessons in manners and decency, instead of business and government leaders who set an example by inciting hatred and violence towards the rest of the country.

I WISH Alberta could separate, and take all of its contaminated land, water and air with it ... because the rest of us are going to be paying to clean that up for for a VERY long time!

If it wasn't for throwing subsidies at Alberta to appease their violent tempers, we'd all be using renewable energy by now.

I will admit I'm feeling a bit more impatient than usual right now. Albertans can take back a little of what they dish out, for a change. My natural eastern politeness is under a but of strain at present.  Lol

Maybe they should just keep that 20 billion discrepancy between what they send to Ottawa and what they get back. Get some other provinces asses on the renewable energy gravy train and maybe they won't need equalization and a lot more in government spending than they send to Ottawa.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #557 on: February 24, 2020, 05:36:06 pm »
Albertans can get with the program, get on the renewable energy gravy train, or not.

I WISH Alberta could separate, and take all of its contaminated land, water and air with it ... because the rest of us are going to be paying to clean that up for for a VERY long time!

If it wasn't for throwing subsidies at Alberta to appease their violent tempers, we'd all be using renewable energy by now.

yes, the waldo created this thread to focus on the misplaced, misguided, uninformed, ill-informed, misinformed and purposely dishonest Alberta politicos and their ilk, particularly those responsible for contributing to the (divisive) influence upon the provinces populace. But I also recognize there isn't a monolithic single-mindset Alberta to target... those multi-generations of Albertans lining up to automatically vote Conservative, were doing so under the formal progressive attachment to the prior Progressive Conservative banner! The same way that azzhole Harper contributed to the demise of the national PC party, his like charge in moving to "unite the right" in Alberta and cast out the wascally NDP... that Harper direction/influence has done the same thing in Alberta and now saddled the province with the populist result - Jason Kenney leading the UCP! And yes, because that new party name includes Conservative in it, many Albertans gravitate to it automatically... conditioned to, if nothing else.

but again, many Albertans do not agree with the current UCP direction of the province; many Albertans recognize lost opportunities to diversify its economy... lost opportunities to build a sovereign wealth fund and all of what that means - opportunity lost over many generations of miscast political influence, Conservative influence.

you member Granny, you need to acknowledge you're on the renewable energy catch-phrase gravy train and that train has a longer journey than you're prepared to accept; one that includes many starts&stops along its way. The most immediate prior Alberta NDP adopted this with attachment to generally accepted 30+ year time-frames to realistically shift wholesale economies and their supporting industry and infrastructure... all done with a mind to keep and grow the support of an impacted populace. Again, see the NDP Climate Leadership Plan, see it's willingness to engage with the federal government towards necessary caps on tarsands emissions tied to its expansion, see its initiatives and expressed plans towards diversification and renewable energy deployment.

your catch-phrase attachment was emphasized during the election campaign with your Green Party naivety - and its (the Green Party's) absence of a realistic plan! You have no realistic plan to support your catch phrases toward renewable energy... and you expect Albertans to line up to and support your catch phrases! Sure you do!  ;D
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #558 on: February 24, 2020, 09:18:45 pm »
...a self inflicted victim-hood complex.  New numbers out today show that Albertans still make the most money in Canada, despite losing some ground.  Albertans also enjoy the lowest poverty rate in the country, and that number is falling.  They should really cry to someone richer.

So because they make the most money their concerns, like losing jobs, are illegitimate?  There's been a lot of people all over Canada who have moved to AB for jobs the last couple of decades.

I also don't see how any of the economic hits they've taken is self-inflicted.  They had a 7% unemployment rate in the last month of 2019, Manitoba was 5% and Canada overall was 5.6%.
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« Reply #559 on: February 25, 2020, 01:07:36 pm »
So because they make the most money their concerns, like losing jobs, are illegitimate?  There's been a lot of people all over Canada who have moved to AB for jobs the last couple of decades.

Who said that their concerns are illegitimate?  Actually, many of them are.  They're acting as if they live in some dystopian wasteland.  They're acting as if they're not still the wealthiest province.  If they have a government revenue problem, they have an option that every other province has taken up in the form of a PST.

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I also don't see how any of the economic hits they've taken is self-inflicted.  They had a 7% unemployment rate in the last month of 2019, Manitoba was 5% and Canada overall was 5.6%.

They relied primarily on one industry.  That industry is sun-setting at the price point that it requires to operate in Alberta.  Albertans have to deal with reality.
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« Reply #560 on: February 25, 2020, 01:43:43 pm »
Who said that their concerns are illegitimate?  Actually, many of them are.  They're acting as if they live in some dystopian wasteland.  They're acting as if they're not still the wealthiest province.  If they have a government revenue problem, they have an option that every other province has taken up in the form of a PST.

They relied primarily on one industry.  That industry is sun-setting at the price point that it requires to operate in Alberta.  Albertans have to deal with reality.

Considering Albertans contribute far more per capita to federal coffers than any other Canadians, it is not just a reality Albertans will have to deal with.
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« Reply #561 on: February 25, 2020, 02:54:56 pm »
Considering Albertans contribute far more per capita to federal coffers than any other Canadians, it is not just a reality Albertans will have to deal with.

With a country as diverse as Canada, the fall of one industry is almost always coupled to the rise of another. 

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« Reply #562 on: February 25, 2020, 05:17:04 pm »
With a country as diverse as Canada, the fall of one industry is almost always coupled to the rise of another.

Like what?
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« Reply #563 on: February 25, 2020, 05:25:17 pm »
Like what?

RIM came out of nowhere, although it didn't last long. The only resource industry that makes the top 10 list in growth in Canada the past year was gold & silver mining. Cannabis and corn were the only 2 agriculture operations and cannabis is unique for a couple of years until it stabilizes. The service sector remains the majority contributor to our GDP by a wide margin.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #564 on: February 25, 2020, 06:54:10 pm »
I WISH Alberta could separate, and take all of its contaminated land, water and air with it ... because the rest of us are going to be paying to clean that up for for a VERY long time!

I'm not against ending oil subsidies, but we don't live in a bubble.  If Trudeau went and ended all oil & gas subsidies, you'd get your wish for Alberta separating.

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If it wasn't for throwing subsidies at Alberta to appease their violent tempers, we'd all be using renewable energy by now.

That's a lie.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #565 on: February 25, 2020, 07:37:00 pm »
Warning that something is going to happen if you don't take action is not the same as advocating for it to happen. I don't understand what that's so **** complicated for you guys.



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The Buffalo Declaration (presumably, not to be confused with Wall’s Buffalo Project) describes Canada as “in crisis” and uses barely veiled language that “one way or another Albertans will have equality”.

Rather than solutions or vision, it’s an outpouring of clumsy grievances borrowed from others — what conservatives once called “whining.”

It claims Alberta “has never been, an equal participant in Confederation,” is “a culturally distinct region” and bemoans “Eastern Canada functionally treats Alberta as a colony, rather than an equal.”

Yes, it’s rightly drawn mocking derision from the likes of National Post columnist Colby Cosh (who noted it was written to train those unfamiliar with the “unnatural argot of victimhood”) and Energimedia that fiercely called it “vapid, inaccurate, hyper-partisan, torqued, overwrought, blinkered, out of touch, myopic, and downright braindead.”

But it is dangerous in that it’s further demarcation of Canada into East-West, oil-environment, right-left factions — another knife plunge into the heart of nation founded on reasoned compromise.

For this, we should all be outraged with the Buffalo Declaration.


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #566 on: February 25, 2020, 07:38:02 pm »
RIM came out of nowhere, although it didn't last long. The only resource industry that makes the top 10 list in growth in Canada the past year was gold & silver mining. Cannabis and corn were the only 2 agriculture operations and cannabis is unique for a couple of years until it stabilizes. The service sector remains the majority contributor to our GDP by a wide margin.

Exactly, the service sector. Selling each other stuff produced by others.
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« Reply #567 on: February 25, 2020, 10:28:38 pm »
yes, the waldo created this thread to focus on the misplaced, misguided, uninformed, ill-informed, misinformed and purposely dishonest Alberta politicos and their ilk, particularly those responsible for contributing to the (divisive) influence upon the provinces populace. But I also recognize there isn't a monolithic single-mindset Alberta to target... those multi-generations of Albertans lining up to automatically vote Conservative, were doing so under the formal progressive attachment to the prior Progressive Conservative banner! The same way that azzhole Harper contributed to the demise of the national PC party, his like charge in moving to "unite the right" in Alberta and cast out the wascally NDP... that Harper direction/influence has done the same thing in Alberta and now saddled the province with the populist result - Jason Kenney leading the UCP! And yes, because that new party name includes Conservative in it, many Albertans gravitate to it automatically... conditioned to, if nothing else.

but again, many Albertans do not agree with the current UCP direction of the province; many Albertans recognize lost opportunities to diversify its economy... lost opportunities to build a sovereign wealth fund and all of what that means - opportunity lost over many generations of miscast political influence, Conservative influence.

you member Granny, you need to acknowledge you're on the renewable energy catch-phrase gravy train and that train has a longer journey than you're prepared to accept; one that includes many starts&stops along its way. The most immediate prior Alberta NDP adopted this with attachment to generally accepted 30+ year time-frames to realistically shift wholesale economies and their supporting industry and infrastructure... all done with a mind to keep and grow the support of an impacted populace. Again, see the NDP Climate Leadership Plan, see it's willingness to engage with the federal government towards necessary caps on tarsands emissions tied to its expansion, see its initiatives and expressed plans towards diversification and renewable energy deployment.

your catch-phrase attachment was emphasized during the election campaign with your Green Party naivety - and its (the Green Party's) absence of a realistic plan! You have no realistic plan to support your catch phrases toward renewable energy... and you expect Albertans to line up to and support your catch phrases! Sure you do!  ;D

I think this is the first time I've ever enthusiastically agreed with anything the waldo has written.


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #568 on: February 26, 2020, 09:34:33 am »
Exactly, the service sector. Selling each other stuff produced by others.

The economy is [should] be about being compensated for the value you provide to others. There is value in many things, other than "stuff". It is starting to snow today, and they are calling for a foot or more by tomorrow morning. Why don't you see that I can get value by having someone else clean that white powder from my driveway, and should compensate them for their effort? Why does "stuff" need to be the only thing you see value in?

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« Reply #569 on: February 26, 2020, 12:08:31 pm »
The economy is [should] be about being compensated for the value you provide to others. There is value in many things, other than "stuff". It is starting to snow today, and they are calling for a foot or more by tomorrow morning. Why don't you see that I can get value by having someone else clean that white powder from my driveway, and should compensate them for their effort? Why does "stuff" need to be the only thing you see value in?

See Soviet Union as an example of a country that tried to run an isolated economy.
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