Author Topic: No llores por mí Alberta (Read 34844 times)

cybercoma · « **Reply #210 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:16:15 pm »

Quote from: wilber on November 14, 2019, 11:13:39 am

Their taxpayers do. Why do you think Albertans send 21B net to Ottawa?

Canadians, who live in Canada, pay taxes to the Canadian government. The Canadian government then spends that money, mostly in Canada on Canadians.

cybercoma · « **Reply #211 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:17:16 pm »

Quote from: wilber on November 14, 2019, 11:18:02 am

Alberta contributes 15% of this country's GDP, that is four percent less than Quebec with half Quebec's population. That is how Albertans manage to send a net 21 billion to Ottawa instead of receiving 30% more than they send, like Quebecers.

If you can't digest that, you are truly ignorant.

I get that, but it's very clear that you don't understand how federalism works.

cybercoma · « **Reply #212 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:19:20 pm »

Quote from: wilber on November 14, 2019, 11:41:50 am

Oh for **** sake when are you going to give that up. Yes they pay taxes like everyone else and for every tax dollar they send, their province gets 56 cents back in federal transfers and spending.

Why the hell do you think the federal government would give every dollar back to the province? That's not how any of this works at all and you're either intentionally ignoring that or completely incapable of understanding. I'm really starting to think it's the latter. Why would the federal government collect taxes at all if it was just going to give every dollar back? Surely you realize the federal government has a lot more expenses in other parts of the country, since (to name two examples) the bureaucracy is in Ontario and Alberta has fewer EI and CPP recipients than other parts of the country.

Riddle me this....do kids from New Brunswick and Nova Scotia who are working in Alberta want their tax dollars to go back to Alberta while their parents freeze in the dark with sub-standard medical care back home because their offspring moved out West to make more money, decimating the provincial labour forces back home?

The idea that Alberta should get 1:1 dollars back is completely idiotic and it's been nearly a week that you refuse to even approach an understanding on this issue when everyone else seems to get it just fine.

cybercoma · « **Reply #213 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:25:10 pm »

What's worse is that rather than understand where you are flat out wrong about the federalist arrangement and taxation structure, you're doubling down on your ignorance and becoming more and more crass in your responses. Your frustration is borne out of your ignorance, not others' misunderstanding. Those who understand the equalization formula are all on the same page, while you simply refuse to learn how any of this works and would rather indulge in outrage p0rn

Omni · « **Reply #214 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:25:59 pm »

Quote from: cybercoma on November 14, 2019, 12:19:20 pm

Why the hell do you think the federal government would give every dollar back to the province? That's not how any of this works at all and you're either intentionally ignoring that or completely incapable of understanding. I'm really starting to think it's the latter. Why would the federal government collect taxes at all if it was just going to give every dollar back? Surely you realize the federal government has a lot more expenses in other parts of the country, since (to name two examples) the bureaucracy is in Ontario and Alberta has fewer EI and CPP recipients than other parts of the country.

Riddle me this....do kids from New Brunswick and Nova Scotia who are working in Alberta want their tax dollars to go back to Alberta while their parents freeze in the dark with sub-standard medical care back home because their offspring moved out West to make more money, decimating the provincial labour forces back home?

The idea that Alberta should get 1:1 dollars back is completely idiotic and it's been nearly a week that you refuse to even approach an understanding on this issue when everyone else seems to get it just fine.

Hopefully your explanation will finally sink in and we can all move on.

wilber · « **Reply #215 on:** November 14, 2019, 12:28:59 pm »

Quote from: cybercoma on November 14, 2019, 12:19:20 pm

Why the hell do you think the federal government would give every dollar back to the province? That's not how any of this works at all and you're either intentionally ignoring that or completely incapable of understanding. I'm really starting to think it's the latter. Why would the federal government collect taxes at all if it was just going to give every dollar back? Surely you realize the federal government has a lot more expenses in other parts of the country, since (to name two examples) the bureaucracy is in Ontario and Alberta has fewer EI and CPP recipients than other parts of the country.

Riddle me this....do kids from New Brunswick and Nova Scotia who are working in Alberta want their tax dollars to go back to Alberta while their parents freeze in the dark with sub-standard medical care back home because their offspring moved out West to make more money, decimating the provincial labour forces back home?

The idea that Alberta should get 1:1 dollars back is completely idiotic and it's been nearly a week that you refuse to even approach an understanding on this issue when everyone else seems to get it just fine.

I’ve never said Alberta should get back every dollar it sends but some people are clueless about where money comes from. They aren’t able to make the connection between tax dollars and the economy that produces them.

cybercoma · « **Reply #216 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:43:29 pm »

Quote from: wilber on November 14, 2019, 12:28:59 pm

I’ve never said Alberta should get back every dollar it sends but some people are clueless about where money comes from. They aren’t able to make the connection between tax dollars and the economy that produces them.

You are indeed clueless about tax dollars and the economy, as has been explained to you numerous times. Oil and gas is only one portion of the the third largest sector in the economy, which also includes mining and quarrying. Furthermore, oil and gas is not exclusive to Alberta. Lastly, you haven't even come remotely close to demonstrating an unfair arrangements, since Alberta is charged the same federal taxes as everyone else and receives the same level of services and aid from the federal government. They're not getting paid on a different CPP formula; they're not looked over when natural disasters happen (see: wildfires); they're not looked over for "stimulus" spending. All of the complaints about federalism are nonsensical propaganda.

cybercoma · « **Reply #217 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:44:04 pm »

Quote from: Omni on November 14, 2019, 12:25:59 pm

Hopefully your explanation will finally sink in and we can all move on.

Believe me. It won't. wilber has an agenda and refuses to see reason. It's not even worth pointing these things out at this point because he's clearly chosen not to exist in reality with the rest of us.

wilber · « **Reply #218 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:49:17 pm »

Quote from: cybercoma on November 14, 2019, 01:43:29 pm

You are indeed clueless about tax dollars and the economy, as has been explained to you numerous times. Oil and gas is only one portion of the the third largest sector in the economy, which also includes mining and quarrying. Furthermore, oil and gas is not exclusive to Alberta. Lastly, you haven't even come remotely close to demonstrating an unfair arrangements, since Alberta is charged the same federal taxes as everyone else and receives the same level of services and aid from the federal government. They're not getting paid on a different CPP formula; they're not looked over when natural disasters happen (see: wildfires); they're not looked over for "stimulus" spending. All of the complaints about federalism are nonsensical propaganda.

Like I said, some people can't make the connection between taxes and the economy that produces them. Whether arrangements are unfair or not is subject to debate. What is filling your rice bowl is not.

I must say, you are making great spokesmen for Alberta separatists.

cybercoma · « **Reply #219 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:52:38 pm »

You're seriously embarrassing yourself and you can't even see it.

wilber · « **Reply #220 on:** November 14, 2019, 01:57:21 pm »

Quote from: cybercoma on November 14, 2019, 01:52:38 pm

You're seriously embarrassing yourself and you can't even see it.

That's fine, I'll take the source into account.

waldo · « **Reply #221 on:** November 15, 2019, 02:46:15 pm »

Quote from: waldo on November 08, 2019, 06:38:21 pm

Quote from: waldo on November 07, 2019, 12:57:18 pm
the separationStokerInChief, Alberta Premier Jason... has been musing about a 'made-in-Alberta' pension plan, one administered by Alberta Investment Management Corporation, AIMCo.

apparently, Alberta government officials state there could be a strategic advantage for Alberta development; suggesting that with many lenders shunning oil and gas, AIMCo might buy more stakes in the industry
=> ever solidifying the Petro Republic of Alberta!

oh my! CPP's investment return is @ 8.9%... Alberta Investment Management Corporation (AIMCo) is @ 2.3%

sure Alberta Premier Jason - sure!

hey now justVisitingJason, about those returns for AIMCo targeting oil&gas investments!

Sweden's central bank dumps Australian/Alberta bonds over high emissions --- Riksbank says Queensland and Western Australia, as well as Canada’s Alberta, ‘not known for good climate work’

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Sweden’s central bank said on Wednesday it had sold off bonds from Western Australia and Queensland, and the oil-rich Canadian province of Alberta, because it felt that greenhouse gas emissions in both countries were too high.

The Riksbank deputy governor, Martin Floden, said the bank would no longer invest in assets from issuers with a large climate footprint, even if the yields were high.

“Australia and Canada are countries that are not known for good climate work. Greenhouse gas emissions per capita are among the highest in the world,” he said in a speech at Orebro University in Sweden.

“As a result of the new investment policy, we sold our holdings of bonds issued by Alberta in the spring. For the same reason, we have recently sold our holdings in bonds issued by the Australian states of Queensland and Western Australia.”

waldo · « **Reply #222 on:** November 15, 2019, 03:33:25 pm »

yes waldo, the carpet-bagging Alberta Premier Jason is just visiting => justVisitingJason!

bold moves by the visiting one to establish:

=> a $30 million "Energy War Room" over the summer - intended to provide real time response to all of the “lies and myths” that exist about Alberta’s energy industry... other than hiring a retired journalist to consult on strategy and a failed UCP candidate to head it, it seems all is quiet on the "Alberta war fronts"!

=> a $2.5 million public inquiry into "anti-Alberta" energy campaigns; a public inquiry that's, uhhh... closed to the public! Pretty quiet around this one as well; well other than the uncovering that revealed that in support of the inquiry, the Kenney government paid out over $900K in legal fees under a sole-source contract to the Alberta Justice Minister’s former law firm. An interim, not for public report, is said due at the end of January 2020... beyond that???

=> a "Fair Deal Panel" (with an initial $650K budget) intended to, as stated, "focus on ways to strengthen Alberta’s economy, give it a bigger voice within Confederation or increase provincial power over institutions and funding within its jurisdiction". Intends to conduct 7 open houses across the province and submit a report to the Alberta government by Mar 31, 2020.

waldo · « **Reply #223 on:** November 15, 2019, 04:34:00 pm »

Alberta's Fair Deal Panel - fluid & dynamic: it appears some points for possible consideration in, "bettering Alberta's interests", are being passed to the media as implicit trial balloons... trying to gauge worthiness through public/media response. To today's date, a collective summary of actual identified points for panel consideration were a part of a Nov 9th letter from justVisitingJason to the {newly appointed} members of the panel; itemized points for consideration:

=> to replace the federal CRA with an Alberta revenue agency to collect provincial/federal taxes.

=> to replace the federal CPP with an Alberta Pension Plan administered by the Alberta Investment Management Corporation (AIMCo).

=> to replace the RCMP with a provincial police force.

=> to have direct & active participation in international treaty negotiations affecting Alberta’s interests.

=> unless prior approval is received from the Alberta government, to prevent municipalities from entering into agreements with the federal government.

=> to opt out of federal cost share programs.

=> to exchange tax points for federal cash transfers under Canada Health and Social Transfers.

=> to establish a provincial constitution.

?Impact · « **Reply #224 on:** November 15, 2019, 04:37:21 pm »

Quote from: waldo on November 15, 2019, 04:34:00 pm

Alberta's Fair Deal Panel

Rich guys wanting a bigger slice of the pie

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