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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2019, 12:05:07 am »
per 2016 Stats Can, Albertans sent $49 billion worth of taxes to Ottawa & received $27.2 billion back in the form of federal spending => a so-called "gap" of $21.8 billion. The gaps of other net contributors: Ontario @ $9 billion; B.C. @ $4.2 billion

Quote from: Trevor Tombe - UofC economics professor, research fellow at the School of Public Policy
Albertans have high incomes, on average. This makes it hard to consider any national policy that doesn’t disproportionately burden the average Alberta household, but it’s in the same way that a rich Ontario or Quebecer is burdened.



left: Graph showing how Alberta’s $21.8 billion ‘gap’ breaks down. Most of it is due to Albertans paying an unusually high level of income tax due to their disproportionate wealth. The ‘Equalization,’ ‘OAS’ and ‘Defence’ categories refer to how Alberta receives less spending in those areas relative to other provinces - Trevor Tombe

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2019, 12:22:02 pm »
per 2016 Stats Can, Albertans sent $49 billion worth of taxes to Ottawa & received $27.2 billion back in the form of federal spending => a so-called "gap" of $21.8 billion.

Nope, not per 2016 Stats Can. Per a paid political hack.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2019, 03:52:40 pm »
per 2016 Stats Can, Albertans sent $49 billion worth of taxes to Ottawa & received $27.2 billion back in the form of federal spending => a so-called "gap" of $21.8 billion. The gaps of other net contributors: Ontario @ $9 billion; B.C. @ $4.2 billion
Nope, not per 2016 Stats Can. Per a paid political hack.

who? Hopper... or Tombe? ;D  Geejaz, revenue vs. expenditure isn't a contentious number, particularly when based on Stats Can data.

a reply as yours suggests you have concern/difficulty with the numbers mentioned - what are 'your' alternate numbers... what's the 2016 Alberta gap number that you accept/interpret?/understand?

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2019, 03:58:28 pm »
What's your argument here, Waldo?

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2019, 04:43:58 pm »
What's your argument here, Waldo?

that emphasis on equalization is misplaced; that, overall, a province's so-called 'fiscal gap' reflects upon federal transfers from/to provinces in terms of revenue versus expenditure. Specifically to Alberta's fiscal gap, {covering the period 2007-2016}, the supplied graphic identifies respective sources of Alberta's fiscal gap, showing personal income taxation as the key/principal determiner of that fiscal gap... a determiner that simply reflects upon the disproportionate wealth of Albertans. As a representation of that Alberta disproportionate wealth, the second graph presents, per province, median after-tax income for Canadian families.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2019, 04:45:02 pm »
What's your argument here, Waldo?

Something something Trudeau is always correct.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2019, 04:46:11 pm »
  **** the hillbilly redneck  conspiratards.

Well at least that's better than telling a whole province to go eff itself.
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« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2019, 04:49:48 pm »
Something something Trudeau is always correct.

you still smartin' from the election - still? There's been no overt politicization concerning fiscal gap... your comment is clearly misplaced - yes?

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #83 on: November 04, 2019, 04:53:42 pm »
you still smartin' from the election - still? There's been no overt politicization concerning fiscal gap... your comment is clearly misplaced - yes?

No i think i'm on the money on this one.  Election is over, but you're still in campaign mode.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #84 on: November 04, 2019, 04:54:48 pm »
a reply as yours suggests you have concern/difficulty with the numbers mentioned - what are 'your' alternate numbers... what's the 2016 Alberta gap number that you accept/interpret?/understand?

It is not the numbers I have a problem with, it is the bullshyte misrepresentation of those numbers. Yes, a lot of young people from the east coast move to Alberta and make good salaries and pay taxes and into social programs. Also true however is the fact that those same young people age, and move back to their home provinces and collect from those same social programs they (not Alberta, but those dang east coasters) paid into.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #85 on: November 04, 2019, 05:05:44 pm »
It is not the numbers I have a problem with, it is the bullshyte misrepresentation of those numbers. Yes, a lot of young people from the east coast move to Alberta and make good salaries and pay taxes and into social programs. Also true however is the fact that those same young people age, and move back to their home provinces and collect from those same social programs they (not Alberta, but those dang east coasters) paid into.

Nothing more demonstrative of that then when you look at the numbers of Newfoundlander s who flocked to Ft. Mac. 

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2019, 12:18:59 am »
last night a Wexit rally held in the... Boot Scootin' Boogie Dance Hall!  ;D


there were some unfair characterizations of the attendees... many were simply there as music fans wanting to see some young boy playing his banjo

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2019, 10:19:28 am »
young boy playing his banjo

I'm not really into musicals, but someday I will have to borrow that movie as I have yet to see it.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2019, 12:57:18 pm »
the separationStokerInChief, Alberta Premier Jason... has been musing about a 'made-in-Alberta' pension plan, one administered by Alberta Investment Management Corporation, AIMCo.

Quote from: Alberta Premier Jason
I can certainly tell you that will be one of the issues studied by the panel that I will be appointing to consult with Albertans on fighting for a fair deal in Canada. I believe that a compelling case can be made for such a shift. We want to listen to Albertans on this first, but let me just say that with the youngest population in Canada, we are by far the largest net contributors to the CPP.

The federal government, against our government’s wishes, is imposing higher CPP payroll taxes which will decrease economic growth and kill jobs, even though with this young Alberta population we do not need and cannot justify our premiums.

I understand there is about $40 billion of Albertans’ premiums under management by Canada Pension Plan Investment Board.

If we could transfer those assets to be managed securely by AIMCo, that would also help AIMCo be a stronger asset manager that would be able to participate in larger deals . . . to further diversify their investment portfolio and improve returns over time.

apparently, Alberta government officials state there could be a strategic advantage for Alberta development; suggesting that with many lenders shunning oil and gas, AIMCo might buy more stakes in the industry
=> ever solidifying the Petro Republic of Alberta;D

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2019, 01:15:38 pm »
Alberta Premier Jason... has been musing about a 'made-in-Alberta' pension plan

Yet he fought hand and fist to destroy federal pension plans when he was part of the dark Harper administration. Yes, more money flows into federal coffers from east coasters who go to Alberta to work and contribute to the CPP and then return home to retire. Alberta is nothing but a bunch of whiners, wanting a free ride off the RoC.