Author Topic: No llores por mí Alberta  (Read 34819 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10252
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2019, 10:56:50 pm »
We've been pouring synthetic oil in turbine engines for at least teh last ~40 years.

Synthetic motor oil uses crude hydrocarbon oil as a base.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2019, 11:39:50 pm »
Synthetic motor oil uses crude hydrocarbon oil as a base.

Some do, some don't. Aircraft types use esters as a base. The synthetic oil you might put in your car could well have a portion of mineral oil as a base.

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8826
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2019, 12:18:10 am »
I should also add, the Liberals are far from trustworthy on the climate file.  They have kicked the can down the road and failed to implement much of any plan....   even when they had a plan, they simply ignored it. 

We will see about the carbon tax and if they will make it actually work.   They haven't shown $hit yet.

LOL Trudeau has been all talk, no action on climate.

of course member squid, you were already called out on this drive-by shyte of yours - yes? You have no standing to make such drive-by nothingness... I mean, c'mon member squid... you're one of those know-nothing cheerleaders for the farcical Green Party that's going no where!

here member squid, reach a little - read, educate yourself... save yourself further embarassment:

May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan receives C- grade for feasibility

so much ambition, so little feasibility - oh the humanity! ;D


perhaps progress reports from the Pan-Canadian Framework would shut your trap-hole... but... let's start with the following and have you show just how naive and 'knowledge lacking' you truly are - yes:



Publications:
=> Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change
=> Federal actions for a clean growth economy

Annual Reports:
=> First annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2017)
     => Annex 1: Status of all Pan-Canadian Framework actions
=> Second annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2018)



Dumb Dumb x 1 View List

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8826
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2019, 12:26:55 am »
hey member squid - you f'n azzhole, what's so f'n dumb about my prior post?
Love Love x 1 View List

Offline Granny

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1172
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2019, 07:23:14 am »
of course member squid, you were already called out on this drive-by shyte of yours - yes? You have no standing to make such drive-by nothingness... I mean, c'mon member squid... you're one of those know-nothing cheerleaders for the farcical Green Party that's going no where!

here member squid, reach a little - read, educate yourself... save yourself further embarassment:


Publications:
=> Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change
=> Federal actions for a clean growth economy

Annual Reports:
=> First annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2017)
     => Annex 1: Status of all Pan-Canadian Framework actions
=> Second annual synthesis report on the status of implementation (2018)

Oh, yay waldo. You have proven once again how good the Liberals are ... at producing pretty reports! They must hire a lot of people to dust those reports as they all sit undisturbed on pretty shelves. Do they have interior decorators to colour coordinate the binding as part of the decor?
Liberals = lots of pretty words, pretty reports ... no action.

Btw, you posted the draft Green plan, not the final.
It's all possible, but it requires that a person look beyond the present payola politics practiced by Libs and Cons.
While Libs and Cons refuse to look past the crony system that exists now, Greens know that we have to create a new reality.

Offline queenmandy85

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 148
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2019, 08:58:00 am »
Synthetic oil is made from petroleum. So is plastic.
The decisions we make on these issues are goingto have a dramatic impact on future generations.
A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body
Agree Agree x 2 View List

Offline Goddess

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 817
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2019, 10:30:21 am »
Synthetic oil is made from petroleum. So is plastic.
The decisions we make on these issues are goingto have a dramatic impact on future generations.

Our entire way of life is going to have to change.  I don't think people in Eastern Canada understand what they're doing.  They're not just biting the hand that feeds, they are cutting it off.
"A religion without a Goddess is half-way to atheism."
Dumb Dumb x 1 View List

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9156
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2019, 11:05:34 am »
Synthetic oil is made from petroleum. So is plastic.
The decisions we make on these issues are goingto have a dramatic impact on future generations.

The list of things we use that have some sort of petroleum component is huge.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9156
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2019, 11:08:52 am »
Our entire way of life is going to have to change.  I don't think people in Eastern Canada understand what they're doing.  They're not just biting the hand that feeds, they are cutting it off.

If the federal government tried to maintain its present spending without the net 20 billion it receives from Alberta, our deficits would be 40 billion instead of 20.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC
Dumb Dumb x 1 View List

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2019, 11:20:12 am »
 No one has said that lubricants should cease to exist.   ::) 

  74% of petroleum is used to make fuel of various types.   

I am looking forward to a ban on plastic bags, containers, etc.  Not just for the petroleum use, but to reduce plastic waste.

Agree Agree x 1 Dumb Dumb x 1 View List

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8826
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2019, 11:32:42 am »
Oh, yay waldo. You have proven once again how good the Liberals are ... at producing pretty reports! They must hire a lot of people to dust those reports as they all sit undisturbed on pretty shelves. Do they have interior decorators to colour coordinate the binding as part of the decor?
Liberals = lots of pretty words, pretty reports ... no action.

you should first try reading the reports before claiming... "no action"! Notwithstanding, of course, simply getting the provinces/territories together to 'carve' out the Pan Canadian Framework itself... was a monumental undertaking on its own. You shouldn't dismiss what you clearly know nothing about - yes?

Btw, you posted the draft Green plan, not the final.
It's all possible, but it requires that a person look beyond the present payola politics practiced by Libs and Cons.
While Libs and Cons refuse to look past the crony system that exists now, Greens know that we have to create a new reality.

no - jeezaz, just how reflexive are you... your automatic nay-saying just embarrasses you further - if that was even possible! Clearly you're confused! Yes, the Green Party platform had a redo after initially failing it's review by IFSD - that's the GP platform proper. And even then, the 'pass' rating after the redo included a mega-FAIL in terms of Responsible Fiscal Management.  But that has nothing at all to do with what I posted. Rather, my reference was to the review done by a renowned climate scientist and an established and regarded environmental economist - and that review was more technical focused on the GP's failed "Mission Possible Improbable" climate plan, not the GP platform proper. Again, the GP climate plan... not the GP platform proper. Again:

May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan receives C- grade for feasibility

so much ambition, so little feasibility - oh the humanity! ;D


Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8826
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2019, 12:05:18 pm »
Our entire way of life is going to have to change.  I don't think people in Eastern Canada understand what they're doing.  They're not just biting the hand that feeds, they are cutting it off.

perhaps you could clarify what it is you understand/interpret "people in Eastern Canada" are doing - yes?

if the member wilber hyperbole could be toned down... just a tad, perhaps a more realistic discussion could be entertained; one that recognizes the distinction between hair-on-fire types screeching about "immediately eliminating" fossil-fuels versus a more realistic/practical recognition towards 'reducing reliance' on fossil fuels, most particularly in regards a multi-decadal (2030-to-2050) pursuit to reduce that reliance.

let the waldo start with a basic reference to Net Zero, as in reaching CLIMATE NEUTRALITY => in that transition to a low-carbon economy, there will still be GHG emissions; however, towards Net Zero, these emissions will need to be balanced out by removal of GHGs from the atmosphere... like through, for example, forest restoration, DACS technologies (Direct Air Capture & Storage), etc..

conventional mitigation measures + carbon removal technologies => Net Zero



Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10252
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2019, 12:11:48 pm »
I am looking forward to a ban on plastic bags, containers, etc.  Not just for the petroleum use, but to reduce plastic waste.

Petroleum use isn't the real enemy, it's the burning of petroleum that releases so much ghg.  And yes waste too, mainly single use plastics.

They make biodegradable plastic bags and such, maybe that could replace non-grocery shopping bags.
"Nipples is one of the great minds of our time!" - Bubbermiley
Like Like x 1 Agree Agree x 1 View List

Offline Omni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8563
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2019, 12:28:22 pm »
perhaps you could clarify what it is you understand/interpret "people in Eastern Canada" are doing - yes?

if the member wilber hyperbole could be toned down... just a tad, perhaps a more realistic discussion could be entertained; one that recognizes the distinction between hair-on-fire types screeching about "immediately eliminating" fossil-fuels versus a more realistic/practical recognition towards 'reducing reliance' on fossil fuels, most particularly in regards a multi-decadal (2030-to-2050) pursuit to reduce that reliance.

let the waldo start with a basic reference to Net Zero, as in reaching CLIMATE NEUTRALITY => in that transition to a low-carbon economy, there will still be GHG emissions; however, towards Net Zero, these emissions will need to be balanced out by removal of GHGs from the atmosphere... like through, for example, forest restoration, DACS technologies (Direct Air Capture & Storage), etc..

conventional mitigation measures + carbon removal technologies => Net Zero



Planting new trees is a good idea but we must make sure we plant the RIGHT species of trees. Look at the problem Ireland has from when they started off their reforestation program by planting millions of Sitka Spruce that were replacing a lot of broad leaf trees. There is speculation that these trees actually increase warming because that many conifers create a "blanket" which traps heat. A woman who was recently interviewed who lives near one of those forests said you can't walk in the forest now as there are 3 feet of fallen needles on the forest floor. I guess it makes sense that when we replace a forest we should make it as diversified as it was before we mowed it down. And hey, you can't make maple syrup from a sitka spruce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/07/the-wrong-kind-of-trees-irelands-afforestation-meets-resistance
« Last Edit: November 01, 2019, 12:49:58 pm by Omni »
Agree Agree x 3 View List

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2019, 01:15:08 pm »
Planting new trees is a good idea but we must make sure we plant the RIGHT species of trees. Look at the problem Ireland has from when they started off their reforestation program by planting millions of Sitka Spruce that were replacing a lot of broad leaf trees. There is speculation that these trees actually increase warming because that many conifers create a "blanket" which traps heat. A woman who was recently interviewed who lives near one of those forests said you can't walk in the forest now as there are 3 feet of fallen needles on the forest floor. I guess it makes sense that when we replace a forest we should make it as diversified as it was before we mowed it down. And hey, you can't make maple syrup from a sitka spruce.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/07/the-wrong-kind-of-trees-irelands-afforestation-meets-resistance

Replanting with monoculture has been a large problem in BC for decades.  Clearcut the forests and replace with a single tree type.  Not great for ecosystem diversity.  Also bad for the spread of disease and pests, like the mountain pine beetle.



Quote
Since 1987, logging companies in BC have been legally required to “reforest” the public lands that they log. That means that they must either plant new trees on those lands or wait a period of years and see if the logged lands naturally re-seed on their own. Either way, the companies are legally obliged to ensure new crops of trees reach a “free to grow” status on previously logged lands. Free to grow, meaning that the new trees are sufficiently large enough that they will not be overrun and out-competed for light by competing brushes and grasses.

Scagel’s analysis points to a troubling spread in the amount of planted pine. But the proliferation of pine trees across the landscape is probably far greater than the numbers implied by his research. That’s because many companies choose to allow the areas they log to naturally re-seed. And in many cases, what re-seeds in the harsh sunlight of clear-cuts is pine.

https://thetyee.ca/News/2005/10/05/SowingDevastation/
Agree Agree x 1 View List