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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #930 on: November 02, 2022, 09:50:38 pm »
A few weeks ago Chrystia Freeland was in Washington and gave a speech about an idea she termed "friendshoring".  Rather than "offshoring" jobs and investment to the lowest bidder, she argued, we should invest our money and buy our products in countries that share our values. Instead of turning to China for manufacturing, we can turn to South Korea and Vietnam (to name a couple-- my examples, not hers.)  And instead of looking to Russia and the KSA for energy, our friends and allies can look right here, to Canada.  Canada, she told them, was ready to help free our European friends from their dependence on Russian energy. That was what she talked about in Washington.

But back at home, it's always the same bullshit.  You can't build pipelines here because it makes Quebecers angry, and you can't build pipelines there because it makes Indigenous people sad.  In 2019 Justin had to step in and buy a whole multi-billion dollar project from private industry to keep it from being scrapped.

Why shouldn't Smith agitate for natural gas exports from Churchill? How is Freeland's notion of supplying Europe with Canadian energy going to materialize if we have no way of actually getting energy to Europe?

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« Reply #931 on: November 02, 2022, 10:22:48 pm »
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Why shouldn't Smith agitate for natural gas exports from Churchill?

Agitate is a good word….  Not even the Conservative Premier of Manitoba wants anything to do with Smith and Alberta.

https://www.iheartradio.ca/ctv-news-content/manitoba-premier-says-meeting-with-alberta-over-churchill-port-not-a-priority-1.18723823
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #932 on: November 02, 2022, 10:24:22 pm »
A few weeks ago Chrystia Freeland was in Washington and gave a speech about an idea she termed "friendshoring".  Rather than "offshoring" jobs and investment to the lowest bidder, she argued, we should invest our money and buy our products in countries that share our values. Instead of turning to China for manufacturing, we can turn to South Korea and Vietnam (to name a couple-- my examples, not hers.)  And instead of looking to Russia and the KSA for energy, our friends and allies can look right here, to Canada.  Canada, she told them, was ready to help free our European friends from their dependence on Russian energy. That was what she talked about in Washington.

But back at home, it's always the same bullshit.  You can't build pipelines here because it makes Quebecers angry, and you can't build pipelines there because it makes Indigenous people sad.  In 2019 Justin had to step in and buy a whole multi-billion dollar project from private industry to keep it from being scrapped.

Why shouldn't Smith agitate for natural gas exports from Churchill? How is Freeland's notion of supplying Europe with Canadian energy going to materialize if we have no way of actually getting energy to Europe?

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The only way I see it happening is by electing a majority Conservative government.  It’s the only way Canada’s energy industry will truly prosper to the point of actually being able to supply allies around the world with energy.  The Trudeau regime has had 8 years to get it done, and failed at every turn.  They’re either unwilling or incompetent.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #933 on: November 02, 2022, 10:29:37 pm »
A few weeks ago Chrystia Freeland was in Washington and gave a speech about an idea she termed "friendshoring".  Rather than "offshoring" jobs and investment to the lowest bidder, she argued, we should invest our money and buy our products in countries that share our values. Instead of turning to China for manufacturing, we can turn to South Korea and Vietnam (to name a couple-- my examples, not hers.)  And instead of looking to Russia and the KSA for energy, our friends and allies can look right here, to Canada.  Canada, she told them, was ready to help free our European friends from their dependence on Russian energy. That was what she talked about in Washington.

But back at home, it's always the same bullshit.  You can't build pipelines here because it makes Quebecers angry, and you can't build pipelines there because it makes Indigenous people sad.  In 2019 Justin had to step in and buy a whole multi-billion dollar project from private industry to keep it from being scrapped.

Why shouldn't Smith agitate for natural gas exports from Churchill? How is Freeland's notion of supplying Europe with Canadian energy going to materialize if we have no way of actually getting energy to Europe?

 -k

The problem is companies don't care about values they care about costs and profits.  The only way we stop doing business with places like China is if the government makes a law banning it and fines companies that break the law.  Unless you're SNV Lavalin and your company's HQ is located in the same riding in Montreal as the Prime Minister so the PM does corrupt things so you can get out of your legal mess.

I think getting into "values" can be messy, we can't expect poor countries to all share our values, unless it's glaringly terrible.  I think it will mostly be a foreign policy tool to secure political interests, like if we enacted trade sanctions against Russia or China.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #934 on: November 02, 2022, 10:31:33 pm »
The only way I see it happening is by electing a majority Conservative government.  It’s the only way Canada’s energy industry will truly prosper to the point of actually being able to supply allies around the world with energy.  The Trudeau regime has had 8 years to get it done, and failed at every turn.  They’re either unwilling or incompetent.

Well you can't push things through, they need to get buy-in from stakeholders.  You have to convince BC, Quebec, and indigenous people to agree, and you have to do it with money.  Not everyone will agree, and some of them can cause problems like vandalism, but you can arrest those people.
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« Reply #935 on: November 04, 2022, 12:15:37 pm »
newly released CBC commissioned poll: UCP Danielle Smith's rough first impression puts Alberta NDP in likely majority territory - Albertans sour on UCP government’s approach to every key issue surveyed; showcasing the rural/urban split:


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #936 on: November 04, 2022, 12:58:26 pm »
Well you can't push things through, they need to get buy-in from stakeholders.  You have to convince BC, Quebec, and indigenous people to agree, and you have to do it with money.  Not everyone will agree, and some of them can cause problems like vandalism, but you can arrest those people.

And, as you said before, you also need a company willing to pay for it and oil and gas companies aren't interested in splashing out for expensive capital projects (and a Churchill project would cost billions) as long as prices are high. Though it would be funny to see a Conservative government try and nationalize a pipeline and pay for it with taxpayer dollars.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #937 on: November 07, 2022, 11:55:08 pm »
Mazen Maurice Guirguis - Is {Alberta} Premier Smith calling for a constitutional right to harm?

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John Stuart Mill => "The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number is self-protection. The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others".

this no harm principle => is meant to form the basis of all legitimate restrictions on personal autonomy.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith: described those who have refused COVID-19 vaccination as the most discriminated-against group in her lifetime.

But nowhere in Smith’s litany of complaints do we hear any concern expressed for the safety of the co-workers of those who refuse vaccinations. Not a word is uttered about the welfare of the other children in the hockey rink, or vulnerable seniors living in long-term care homes and the staff looking after them. There is no apparent interest in the well-being of the crews and passengers onboard airplanes sharing the same space with individuals who render themselves unsafe.

By what mechanism of justice or principle of morality does Smith propose to force innocent third parties to become casualties of the risks that others freely inflict upon themselves? Is that what the Alberta premier hopes to enshrine in the Canadian Constitution?

What Smith and others of similar mind are unwilling to see is that, while getting vaccinated is a matter of personal choice, endangering the health and safety of one’s neighbours is not. We may agree that independent agents have absolute right over their bodies, but we must also recognize that this right is not accompanied by a secondary one, distinct from the first, that permits them to harm disinterested bystanders. Taking steps to prevent one’s right to injury from extending beyond their own person does not amount to discrimination.

The biggest misconception in this whole debate is conflating a limit on harming others for an infringement on liberty. Viewed in that light, one can argue that the only mandate imposed in Canada was a protection mandate. Vaccines and masks were never forced upon anyone.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #938 on: November 08, 2022, 06:40:12 am »
Mazen Maurice Guirguis - Is {Alberta} Premier Smith calling for a constitutional right to harm?
It’s funny to watch you people argue against body autonomy and medical privacy, but pound your keyboards in other threads about infringing on other rights.  Do you have any self awareness?  Can you not hear how ridiculous you sound?
I’ll post this again since you people continue to have serious reading comprehension issues.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #939 on: November 08, 2022, 09:56:41 am »
It’s funny to watch you people argue against body autonomy and medical privacy, but pound your keyboards in other threads about infringing on other rights.  Do you have any self awareness?  Can you not hear how ridiculous you sound?
I’ll post this again since you people continue to have serious reading comprehension issues.

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Needlecuck doesn't know immunizations weren't made mandatory for all Canadians.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #940 on: November 08, 2022, 10:57:47 am »
I’ll post this again since you people continue to have serious reading comprehension issues.

if you have something to say, don't be afraid... say it! There's no point in you continuing to throw down go-fetch links making others... if they even bother... attempt to decipher just what the hell you're about, hey!

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« Reply #941 on: November 08, 2022, 10:59:16 am »
if you have something to say, don't be afraid... say it! There's no point in you continuing to throw down go-fetch links making others... if they even bother... attempt to decipher just what the hell you're about, hey!
No link is required, the relevant portion is highlighted for you convenience!

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #942 on: November 08, 2022, 11:01:47 am »
It’s funny to watch you people argue against body autonomy and medical privacy

no - the classic 'do no harm' principle is something foreign to you and your ilk as you whine about anti-vaxxers being "supposedly" discriminated against!

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But nowhere in Smith’s litany of complaints do we hear any concern expressed for the safety of the co-workers of those who refuse vaccinations. Not a word is uttered about the welfare of the other children in the hockey rink, or vulnerable seniors living in long-term care homes and the staff looking after them. There is no apparent interest in the well-being of the crews and passengers onboard airplanes sharing the same space with individuals who render themselves unsafe.

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« Reply #943 on: November 08, 2022, 11:03:14 am »
No link is required, the relevant portion is highlighted for you convenience!

BDog said all that needs to be said!

Needlecuck doesn't know immunizations weren't made mandatory for all Canadians.

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« Reply #944 on: November 08, 2022, 11:06:33 am »
no - the classic 'do no harm' principle is something foreign to you and your ilk as you whine about anti-vaxxers being "supposedly" discriminated against!
Do no harm doesn’t apply to rights.  It applies to medicine.  Hey, I got the flu a couple of weeks ago waldo, but who gave it to me?  They didn’t have the right to do that! 🤣
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