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Offline Granny

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #480 on: December 12, 2019, 11:06:35 am »
comprehension failure on your part: the graph image has nothing to do with employment;

Yes, I know that GDP doesn't represent  employment, so your post wasn't very relevant to my post, and it is still 2 years old.

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I note you ignore all the points I provided that highlight your lacking analysis; which, again:
- doesn't factor the volatility of month-to-month job stats. Point in fact is November employment stats (for Canada) were significantly down as compared to October - yet 2019 is the strongest year for overall job growth in decades.
Not for Alberta.
(Read my post for the facts you missed. I'm not repeating the data for you.)

 
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And, of course, doesn't speak to longer-term trends within Alberta to allow for a meaningful understanding of the degree of longer-term employment.
I addressed only current unemployment rates.
If the rest interests you, look it up, post it and let us know.

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- doesn't recognize that the age range being highlighted is for ages of boys/men between 15-24 years of age
Yes it did. (Read my post.)

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-doesn't address types of jobs and numbers of jobs... and skills... associated with unemployed male Albertans. Quite obviously, the typical types of jobs for teens (half of that age range) are not particularly skilled and invariably align with service/retail type positions. Clearly these are not the kind of transferable "uprooting leave Alberta" jobs that you presume to be lined-up and waiting for unemployed male Albertans in other parts of Canada.
- doesn't speak to programs & initiatives within the province of Alberta (IF ANY) to address retraining options within the province itself. And more pointedly doesn't put any onus on justVisitingJason to recognize his budget aligned mega job-cut strategy balanced against a $4 billion tax cut for corporations won't cut it for new job growth opportunities. Most pointedly justVisitingJason's 'hat-in-hand' beggarman ploy is failed - the rest of Canada can't seem to rise to the occasion for the richest province that insists on having the lowest taxes for its populace while refusing to implement a sales tax!
- doesn't speak to the reality... or the stereotype of young uneducated male Albertans who chose to leave school and head to the 'patch' for MoMoney. In a perpetual boom OR bust Alberta economy tied to energy resources, this reality/stereotype is a factor... but how much of a factor particularly in terms of options available for these "rougherNecks"... either in Alberta or more pointed to your presumed corollary, outside of Canada?
So look it all up, post it and let us know.

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let the waldo also counter your other statements with actual StatsCan data: showing, per province, the unemployment rate for males (between your linked article's same highlighted age range) ages 15-24... for the last 5 months of 2019



I trust you note the Alberta September 2019 figure that was actually higher than the November rate... and the significant high rates for a couple of other provinces. Perhaps I missed the Premiers of NB & NFLD making justVisitingJason like demands of the federal government... acting the 'hat-in-hand' beggarman with their traveling entourages confronting PM Trudeau in Ottawa - ya, thats right... I must have missed that!  ;D  So Alberta takes a couple of monthly hits in unemployment for 15-24 year old males and you jump on the justVisitingJason exaggeration/hyperbolic train? Really? Oh my!
Oh my! indeed.

I seldom respond to your posts, waldo, because of your overuse of insults, meandering thoughts and voluminous posts.
My 2 brief posts addressed the only point I wanted to convey. If you want to dispute my point in a broader context, DO the research.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #481 on: December 12, 2019, 11:38:00 am »
Yes, I know that GDP doesn't represent  employment, so your post wasn't very relevant to my post, and it is still 2 years old.
it was relevant to what it pertained to - to the justVisitingJason lie mentioned

Not for Alberta.(Read my post for the facts you missed. I'm not repeating the data for you.)
the point was in regards month-to-month volatility... which my 5 month graph ultimately shows! Your post was nothing more than you dropping a link without comment! You said diddly squat... which was my point! You didn't do any related research/analysis - none!

I addressed only current unemployment rates. If the rest interests you, look it up, post it and let us know.
again, a single month is meaningless given month-to-month volatility. You responded to, effectively, click-bait!

Yes it did. (Read my post.)
you mean read your dropped link to an article you didn't even comment on? And the article itself only states "young men less than 25 years old". The waldo actually informed YOU of the age range: 15-24... and proceeded to highlight related/relative points you didn't!

So look it all up, post it and let us know.
the point was to highlight significant aspects you overlooked in rushing at your click-bait. Here, again:

about your lacking analysis:

- it doesn't factor the volatility of month-to-month job stats. Point in fact is November employment stats (for Canada) were significantly down as compared to October - yet 2019 is the strongest year for overall job growth in decades. And, of course, doesn't speak to longer-term trends within Alberta to allow for a meaningful understanding of the degree of longer-term employment.

- it doesn't recognize that the age range being highlighted is for ages of boys/men between 15-24 years of age

- it doesn't address types of jobs and numbers of jobs... and skills... associated with unemployed male Albertans. Quite obviously, the typical types of jobs for teens (half of that age range) are not particularly skilled and invariably align with service/retail type positions. Clearly these are not the kind of transferable "uprooting leave Alberta" jobs that you presume to be lined-up and waiting for unemployed male Albertans in other parts of Canada.

- it doesn't speak to programs & initiatives within the province of Alberta (IF ANY) to address retraining options within the province itself. And more pointedly doesn't put any onus on justVisitingJason to recognize his budget aligned mega job-cut strategy balanced against a $4 billion tax cut for corporations won't cut it for new job growth opportunities. Most pointedly justVisitingJason's 'hat-in-hand' beggarman ploy is failed - the rest of Canada can't seem to rise to the occasion for the richest province that insists on having the lowest taxes for its populace while refusing to implement a sales tax!

- it doesn't speak to the reality... or the stereotype of young uneducated male Albertans who chose to leave school and head to the 'patch' for MoMoney. In a perpetual boom OR bust Alberta economy tied to energy resources, this reality/stereotype is a factor... but how much of a factor particularly in terms of options available for these "rougherNecks"... either in Alberta or more pointed to your presumed corollary, outside of Canada?

I seldom respond to your posts, waldo, because of your overuse of insults, meandering thoughts and voluminous posts. Your meandering and voluminous post adds no information, and you can't dispute my posts anyway, because I have only presented the current  facts.

again, you have no game! This mirrored the same kind of failed/lacking Green Party nonsense you brought forward during the election... you are consistent, if nothing else!

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #482 on: December 12, 2019, 11:55:51 am »
Noted: Your point is that Alberta does not have an unemployment problem.
(Wow. That took a lot of words! Lol) 

t's difficult to

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #483 on: December 12, 2019, 12:21:03 pm »
Noted: Your point is that Alberta does not have an unemployment problem.
(Wow. That took a lot of words! Lol) 

t's difficult to

the point is... for the reasons outlined, you haven't qualified the degree/nature of said problem. An age range of 15-24 has many facets to it - some I've outlined... ones you choose to ignore as you relish your click-bait article. The author of your linked article also took the 'easy way' and simply pushed out that StatsCan data range... because... for what ever reasons, the StatsCan tables don't include data for the 15-19 & 20-24 ranges. The tables recognize those respective age ranges but data hasn't been delineated to align with those recognized age ranges. And that's my biggest beef: including 15-19 year olds gives a false impression to the point you presumed to make - the one about moving outside Alberta for a job.

but hey now, in your superficial click-bait rush you can continue to ignore the following:

about your lacking analysis:

- it doesn't factor the volatility of month-to-month job stats. Point in fact is November employment stats (for Canada) were significantly down as compared to October - yet 2019 is the strongest year for overall job growth in decades. And, of course, doesn't speak to longer-term trends within Alberta to allow for a meaningful understanding of the degree of longer-term employment.

- it doesn't recognize that the age range being highlighted is for ages of boys/men between 15-24 years of age

- it doesn't address types of jobs and numbers of jobs... and skills... associated with unemployed male Albertans. Quite obviously, the typical types of jobs for teens (half of that age range) are not particularly skilled and invariably align with service/retail type positions. Clearly these are not the kind of transferable "uprooting leave Alberta" jobs that you presume to be lined-up and waiting for unemployed male Albertans in other parts of Canada.

- it doesn't speak to programs & initiatives within the province of Alberta (IF ANY) to address retraining options within the province itself. And more pointedly doesn't put any onus on justVisitingJason to recognize his budget aligned mega job-cut strategy balanced against a $4 billion tax cut for corporations won't cut it for new job growth opportunities. Most pointedly justVisitingJason's 'hat-in-hand' beggarman ploy is failed - the rest of Canada can't seem to rise to the occasion for the richest province that insists on having the lowest taxes for its populace while refusing to implement a sales tax!

- it doesn't speak to the reality... or the stereotype of young uneducated male Albertans who chose to leave school and head to the 'patch' for MoMoney. In a perpetual boom OR bust Alberta economy tied to energy resources, this reality/stereotype is a factor... but how much of a factor particularly in terms of options available for these "rougherNecks"... either in Alberta or more pointed to your presumed corollary, outside of Canada?

on edit: by the by, 1 in 5 of those unemployed male Albertans come under justVisitingJason's watch! But no worries: the UCP increases for education tuition, student loans, car insurance, etc., ... shouldn't be a biggee factor!

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #484 on: December 13, 2019, 06:50:38 pm »
just what spin will the justVisitingJason "WAR ROOM" attach to this: IEA: An Oil Glut Is Inevitable In 2020

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Despite the OPEC+ cuts, the oil market is still facing a supply surplus in 2020, according to a new report from the International Energy Agency (IEA).

OPEC+ announced additional cuts of 500,000 bpd, which sounds more impressive than it is because the group was already producing under its limit. In November, for instance, OPEC was producing 440,000 bpd below the agreed upon ceiling.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #485 on: December 16, 2019, 11:27:00 am »
justVisitingJason... tellin' more porkies!  ;D

Kenney's claim carbon tax damaged Alberta economy is refuted in court documents

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During the provincial election, and on many occasions since, the government of Premier Jason Kenney has claimed the NDP government's carbon tax damaged Alberta's economy.

That claim is false, according to economic modelling contained in the Kenney government's own legal documents.

"I think not surprisingly to those of us who have studied carbon taxes, [Kenney's claims] seem quite exaggerated," said University of British Columbia political scientist Kathryn Harrison, an expert in environmental, climate and energy policy.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #486 on: December 20, 2019, 01:00:41 am »
like Trump... Jason/UCP hire only the best!

apparently, $30 million for a 'War Room' doesn't include trademark searches! The War Room's HeadHoncho announced today they will be replacing their "misappropriated" logo as "borrowed" from Progress Software (its Stylized Design (Arrow/3D Box Logo))






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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #487 on: January 12, 2020, 10:55:30 am »
Wexiters... fair weather separatists!  ;D


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #488 on: January 19, 2020, 12:29:36 pm »
It was minus 25 to minus 30 last week in Edmonton, with wind chill bringing it to a "feels like" temperature of more like minus 40.

I can't imagine many people would have attended Greta's global warming rally in minus 40 weather either. If the weather didn't kill 'em, the irony would have!


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #489 on: January 19, 2020, 02:44:03 pm »
I hope you're not actually that stupid.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #490 on: January 19, 2020, 03:10:14 pm »
I hope you're not actually that stupid.

There are still some who seem unable to comprehend the difference between climate and weather. To them I say "oil's wells can't end well".
(or words to that effect, I'm workin' on it)   

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #491 on: January 19, 2020, 03:40:29 pm »
It was minus 25 to minus 30 last week in Edmonton, with wind chill bringing it to a "feels like" temperature of more like minus 40.

I can't imagine many people would have attended Greta's global warming rally in minus 40 weather either. If the weather didn't kill 'em, the irony would have!


Hiyoooo!!




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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #492 on: January 28, 2020, 11:51:37 pm »
G&M editorial... no really, no kidding! How to make the oil-and-gas industry take responsibility for its orphans

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Alberta’s United Conservative Party government has focused on stoking increased investments in the oil business. While doing so, it has to ensure that the industry is assuming the full cost of cleaning up its messes. It can learn from B.C. and North Dakota.

whaaaa! Silly editor... doesn't Kenney's "Fair Deal for Alberta" plan on the federal government paying billions for the clean-up?

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #493 on: February 08, 2020, 01:44:48 am »
the waldo reads a lot of congratulatory chest-thumping coming from CPC/UCP Conservatives tied to TMX/Line 3 approval/progress... but not WORD ONE acknowledging (let alone thanking) federal Liberals for their related participation and efforts. How come? ;D  Meanwhile, while these 2 very significant pipeline projects are moving forward, many Albertans/Conservatives who quite literally hate PM Trudeau/Liberals, have moved their blackmail/threats to the next one: the Frontier tarsands project by Teck

notwithstanding the CEO of Teck has come out in many recent interviews suggesting they have no short-term intentions to initiate the undertaking... having not even completed a formal feasibility study... and that longer-term development would be subject to 3 conditions being met: that TMX is completed; that Teck secures partner(s) to proceed; that the price of oil increase significantly (although this 'significantly' wasn't qualified).

and along comes the ConMedia's National Post with a false story that the Trudeau government is preparing an aid package to offset the Teck project not being approved... a story that created an, as to be expected, "firestorm" in Alberta - one that certainly ratcheted-up the Wexit/separation nattering!
Quote from: Liberal Finance Minister, Bill Morneau
Federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau called the characterization of the aid package inaccurate.

“We’re working on how we can create opportunity in parts of the country that have the need for increased job opportunities,” he said Friday in Ottawa.

“The issues around Teck Frontier are separate and distinct … It’s unrelated to the work that I’m doing on thinking about how we can make sure that Alberta continues to have a robust economy.”



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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #494 on: February 08, 2020, 01:26:19 pm »
the waldo reads a lot of congratulatory chest-thumping coming from CPC/UCP Conservatives tied to TMX/Line 3 approval/progress... but not WORD ONE acknowledging (let alone thanking) federal Liberals for their related participation and efforts. How come? ;D  Meanwhile, while these 2 very significant pipeline projects are moving forward, many Albertans/Conservatives who quite literally hate PM Trudeau/Liberals, have moved their blackmail/threats to the next one: the Frontier tarsands project by Teck

notwithstanding the CEO of Teck has come out in many recent interviews suggesting they have no short-term intentions to initiate the undertaking... having not even completed a formal feasibility study... and that longer-term development would be subject to 3 conditions being met: that TMX is completed; that Teck secures partner(s) to proceed; that the price of oil increase significantly (although this 'significantly' wasn't qualified).

and along comes the ConMedia's National Post with a false story that the Trudeau government is preparing an aid package to offset the Teck project not being approved... a story that created an, as to be expected, "firestorm" in Alberta - one that certainly ratcheted-up the Wexit/separation nattering!



So the "aid package" is happening, just not officially connected to Teck ... but will perhaps soften the blow.

If the "firestorm" in Alberta is because they don't want the aid/jobs, well ... they can turn it down.
But I think Teck's doomed either way.