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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 12:28:51 pm »
In the form it was originally passed, Bill C-69 was completely ****... Since then, the senate stepped up and proposed almost 200 amendments and almost 100 amendments passed, but people still think it has serious problems.

"people still think" - how Trumpian!  ;D Ah yes, Alberta Premier Jason's declared "pipeline killer" - Bill C-69

waldo reference points:

=> House-Senate exchange is, of course, standard bill processing towards eventual royal assent & 'coming into force'. It should be noted (per investigation by The Narwhal) that industry was responsible for 80% of Senate lobbying linked to Bill C-69 - "That lobbyists from industry and related groups — primarily from the oil and gas industry — met 224 times with the Senate on new environmental assessment law, while environmental groups had just 36 meetings"
=> in actuality, the Senate passed Bill C-69 with 187 sweeping amendments - not the 100 number mentioned by member kimmy
=> the waldo is unable to provide an authoritative figure/count as to how many of these Senate amendments have been accepted by the Liberal government - I expect the election campaign stopped active/final review of the proposed Senate amendments. Most certainly a significant number of Senate amendments have been accepted; however, a key industry front group presumes to, as a catch-all, claim otherwise by stating "the Senate amendment package was not accepted"! CAPP slams federal government for rejecting Senate amendments to Bill C-69
=> Bill C-69 reverses/removes many of the changes introduced by Harper Conservatives Bill C-38; however, industry experts have stated Bill C-69 does not return the regulatory framework to what existed prior to the Harper Conservative Bill C-38 introduction.
=> on a general basis, per The Canadian Press - Mia Rabson:

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The federal Liberals will accept nearly 100 changes the Senate has made to a bill overhauling the federal environmental-assessment process for major construction projects but are rejecting dozens more, including nearly all of those proposed by Conservative senators.

Environment Minister Catherine McKenna says she thinks some of the Senate’s proposals made the bill much stronger, including those that reduce the authority of the minister of the environment to interfere with timelines or the make-up of review panels, and some that clarify rules to ensure the same project won’t have to go through both a regional and a national review.

She said she is certain the new review process for national-scale resource and transportation projects, like pipelines, mines and highways, will be clear and timely. She said it will allow for as many as 100 new resource projects worth $500 billion to be proposed and examined over the next 10 years.

“This is a system that will attract investment,” McKenna said. “This is a system that Canadians, that Canadian businesses should be proud of. We can go and tell everyone that Canada is open for business.”

McKenna is rejecting 90 per cent of the amendments made by Conservatives, including some which would have allowed a new Impact Assessment Agency to decide not to consider the impacts on Indigenous people or climate change when assessing a project. She also is rejecting changes that would have put strict limits on who can participate in an assessment hearing, as well as make it harder to challenge a project approval in court.

whatever one thinks of Bill C-69 it does not apply to the status-quo... to TMX, to KXL, to Energy East (or its proposed alternative)... or even the $20-billion proposed Teck tarsands expansion project

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 01:04:06 pm »
no - the metaphorical shifts into the figurative when Premier Jason pointedly (and incorrectly) identifies "NDP Saskatchewan"!

He meant that the lasting damage from the previous NDP gov't a decade before drove him away...
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2019, 02:01:09 pm »
from earlier this morning - THIS MORNING! Has Premier Jason heard something new... something that has him even more concerned than say... last week... even yesterday? Wassup Premier Jason, wassup?



waldo reference points:

=> equalization was entrenched in the Canadian Constitution in 1982

=> Alberta (or any province) can't simply opt out of or end equalization - aside from several other key requirements to enact a Constitutional Amendment, in regards changing Alberta's status within the existing equalization formula, it would require the agreement/permission of those provinces currently receiving equalization payments.

=> in 2017, the existing equalization formula was locked in for another 5 years, until 2024. Again, the existing equalization formula is one crafted by Harper Conservatives... is one that Harper Conservative Cabinet Minister Jason Kenney supported and lobbied for.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2019, 02:10:59 pm »
More importantly, Jason Kenney is an absolute moron. Equalization payments are transfers TO the provinces FROM federal revenues. Alberta has absolutely no control over how the federal government collects revenue. The only way they could OPT OUT of equalization is by having Albertans literally refuse to file federal income taxes (which again, has absolutely nothing to do with the province), at which point they would be breaking the law.

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2019, 09:15:13 pm »
More importantly, Jason Kenney is an absolute moron. Equalization payments are transfers TO the provinces FROM federal revenues. Alberta has absolutely no control over how the federal government collects revenue. The only way they could OPT OUT of equalization is by having Albertans literally refuse to file federal income taxes (which again, has absolutely nothing to do with the province), at which point they would be breaking the law.

He didn't say for Alberta to opt out, he's saying for equalization to be removed from the constitution (everyone opts out, that money goes back into the general fed revenue purse i guess)

What isn't clear is how an Alberta referendum is going to do that.  So either 1. He's completely clueless, 2. He's willfully spreading misinformation to whip up a frenzy among his base which he assumes is stupid enough to believe this, or 3. The referendum will be take the form of an ultimatum  to the feds and other provinces: either take equalization out of the constitution or AB will separate.

I don't think he has the balls to do #3, i just think he's making grand threats of separation as a bargaining chip to try to make BC and the feds etc do what he wants. Straight outta the Trump playbook.  He's probably bluffing.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2019, 12:55:44 am »
More importantly, Jason Kenney is an absolute moron.

in the past, Alberta's Premier Jason has leveraged his referendum "threat" for pure theatrics... being ever cautious to avoid speaking to actual constitutional amendment... or to actually doing away with equalization - instead, Premier Jason has emphasized a referendum is simply a means to, "bring the conversation onto the national agenda". That is until (as I'm aware) today's tweet (quoted a few posts earlier), that has him explicitly speaking to, "holding a referendum to remove equalization from the Constitution".

much of the twitter & blog hash I'm reading includes a lot of misinformation as to what actually is in the Constitution concerning equalization. In that regard, the applicable clause includes the most generalized non-specific wording; as follows:

   

as I said earlier, amending the Canadian Constitution is a most arduous undertaking; as described within the Constitution itself: PART V PROCEDURE FOR AMENDING CONSTITUTION OF CANADA

more pointedly, I expect what Premier Jason is avoiding is actually mentioning the Equalization Formula... changing the equalization formula to allow Alberta his implied "better deal". Of course, such changes to the formula do not require his threatened want to remove equalization outright from the Constitution. Perhaps Premier Jason is a tad gun-shy to have emphasis placed on the actual formula... that he supported as a Harper Conservative cabinet member! In any case, the Equalization Formula and payment related specifics can be found within the  Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act


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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2019, 09:35:45 am »
Parties supporting TMX received 2/3 of the popular vote in the election and have a large majority of the seats in Parliament. The only remaining obstacle should be the remaining legal challenges (and the next ones, and the ones after that...) and John Horgan's Supreme Court appeal of his loss on his constitutional reference case.

But if for some reason Trudeau did decide to cancel TMX in exchange for support from the BlocGreeNDP types, Jason Kenney's bullshit referendum would be among the least things people will have to worry about. The anger in Edmonton and Calgary would be to the point that riot police would be needed to contain it.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2019, 09:40:18 am »
In the past few days the crown corporation running TMX has announced that they've hired thousands of people in Alberta and BC for work on the pipeline.

That will do much more to get people calmed down than giving Landslide Annie a guest spot on the PM's transition team, or finding a token Albertan to put in Cabinet, or god forbid another "we share your pain" theatrical performance from the PM.  People don't want token representatives or fake sympathy, they just want progress to be made.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2019, 10:31:44 am »
Alberta has, for many years now, been the subject of a large anti-oil lobby started in the US, whose real motivation is to crash the Canadian oil industry so that US oil is the only option.

Citadel Drilling is one of many companies that have moved to the US because it's nearly impossible to conduct business in Canada.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/its-the-smart-thing-to-do-canadian-oil-driller-moves-all-its-rigs-to-the-us/ar-AAJzRuE?ocid=spartandhp

Layoffs have been announced almost every day since the election:

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/epcor-to-cut-around-40-positions-after-construction-season-wraps-up-1.4661427

EPCOR only recently took over road maintenance here when the previous company went under.

Albertans are idiots for not defending their oil industry over the years [ Guests cannot view attachments ] and for this:

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2019, 10:35:30 am »
I don't know why the image did what it did and I dont' feel like fixing it.   :D
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2019, 11:43:18 am »


Albertans are idiots for not defending their oil industry over the years (Attachment Link) and for this:

Canadians are idiots for making us a captive supplier to the US, while at the same time making the US a better place to do business.
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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2019, 12:38:13 pm »
In the past few days the crown corporation running TMX has announced that they've hired thousands of people in Alberta and BC for work on the pipeline.

That will do much more to get people calmed down than giving Landslide Annie a guest spot on the PM's transition team, or finding a token Albertan to put in Cabinet, or god forbid another "we share your pain" theatrical performance from the PM.  People don't want token representatives or fake sympathy, they just want progress to be made.

if only the 'hair-on-fire' types, like you member kimmy, were as understanding and topical as you are hyperbolic, whining and apologetic for the province of Alberta and many of its residents!

certainly there was ongoing progress that barely registered, if at all, with the mainstream media. Granted, the Liberal Party did not broadcast said progress during the election campaign... an obvious conscious decision for the obvious rationale - ya think!

waldo recap:

=> in early September that "rebranding" occurred in forming the new Crown Corporation - Trans Mountain Corporation (TMC)... this obviously garnered attention in industry circles, if for no other reason than longtime Kinder Morgan Canada president, Ian Anderson, left Kinder Morgan to become president of TMC

=> by the by, for those complaining about the $4.3 billion purchase spend... that kept the pipeline expansion viable... in the first 6 months of 2019, Trans Mountain pipeline generated $342 million in revenue, and netted profits of $72 million. Of course, the Liberal government has stated it does not intend to remain owner indefinitely.

=> about the dated progress in making... Sept 6 news release & Oct 24 Facebook announcement - with Alberta Premier Jason saying diddly about either... as it gets in the way of his separatist stoking play: Note - the Oct 24 FB announcement speaks to contractor hirings of 2200 people AS OF Sept. 30th



=> as of today, the waldo's cursory googly only shows TorStar reporting on this latest TMC FB announcement... what, nothing from PostConMedia... nah, say it ain't so!

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2019, 12:15:56 am »
Alberta has to sell its oil at a $20 discount from world price, largely because it can't access world markets. Would any other industry in the country stand for that? Yes we pay world prices for most commodities but Alberta is supposed to sell its resources for less.

no - as I stated previously:

I'd suggest you're speaking incorrectly of (or only partially to) the price of WCS being subject to, at present, effectively "only one customer (the U.S.)". Many people are under the incorrect impression that simply getting tarsludge/dilbit to tidewater will reap "world prices". Of course, the most significant difference between WCS & WTI pricing is the "heavy unrefined" factor - that factor won't be eliminated with additional market penetrations. I wasn't successful in finding something that estimates price gains for selling WCS into both U.S. & "Asian markets"...

there are no (perhaps a minimum, if any) Asian refineries presently capable of refining tarsludge/dilbit... upgrading a refinery with this capability is a most expensive undertaking (one costing billions of dollars). The actual problem is really one of lacking capacity - but with respect to U.S. markets, not Asian markets. Presently, all heavy crude leaving Canada is being shipped to those California refineries that have the ability to refine it. In regards the Asian market, it's the proverbial "build it and they will (might) come"... provide a source and Asian refineries might be inclined to upgrade refineries; on the other hand, why bother when there is no supply shortage of preferred light crude to satisfy the existing Asian refineries/market.

which brings the focus right back to those calls to invest in refining within Canada/Alberta - if you can secure customers, and export their preferred/required crude of choice! But in today's shifting reliance on fossil-fuels, what companies are willing to invest in building a new refinery - one that may only have a few decades life span - even if new pipeline capacity is built? Point in fact: since the 1970s, in Western Canada, only 1 refinery has been built (in Alberta - the NWR Sturgeon Refinery in Strathcona County, a short north-east distance from Edmonton)... and that NWR refinery was only realized because of significant government investment; notwithstanding cost overruns that eventually doubled the project cost (to ~ $10 Billion). And: Report finds Alberta’s North West Redwater Sturgeon Refinery’s prospects of making money are bleak

waldo, wtf! Who bought that pipeline... anyway? Well, as I've written and quoted now a few times, there was a rationale:

=> Harper Conservatives 2014 Canada-China FIPA includes a Canadian commitment to build a tidewater pipeline in exchange for the mega tarsands investments that China made/pledged to make
=> {former} Alberta Premier Rachel Notley openly stated the TMX pipeline approval was integral to allowing Alberta to accept a tarsands emissions cap in the form of passed legislation... law... the Oil Sands Emissions Limit Act
=> the tarsands emissions cap became a key element of both Alberta Premier Notley and PM Trudeau’s respective strategies to cut overall carbon emissions
=> without the Liberal government purchase of the TMX pipeline, Kinder Morgan was quite willing to shutter the expansion plan and walk away from the millions of investment dollars it had already spent - that purchase kept the pipeline expansion viable.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2019, 11:29:32 am »
the waldo offers a mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

particularly in line with 2023/24, there will be new Chinese refineries coming on line capable of processing heavy crude - that most expensive investment for this refining capability presumes to be offset by the significant margins (greater profit) realized with heavy crude refined products.

but... market influencing factors (albeit always subject to change), have all but cut off the ability of Asian refineries to leverage said margin; specifically, OPEC’s production cuts and U.S. (Trump) sanctions against Iran and Venezuela have made... will make... it very difficult for Asian refineries to source the higher margin preferred heavy/sour grades.

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Re: No llores por mí Alberta
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2019, 02:10:26 pm »
How does Premier Kenny, a failed philosophy major who's only job was as a paid lobbiest, claim to be an expert on how to fight climate change.
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