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Offline SirJohn

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Re: NDP leadership candidate Jagmeet Singh goes viral
« Reply #180 on: October 15, 2017, 09:26:15 pm »
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Of course they have lawyers in India.  I have always heard that multiculturalism encourages immigrants to keep to their own kind.

So here we have somebody who went through Osgoode Hall, sat in a legislature... joined 'the system'.  What more would he have to do to assimilate ?  Drive a cab ?  I don't get it.  Him not discarding the turban means squat.  My family had immigrant's grandkids with still a trace of Irish accent and the Catholic faith...

I've already reiterated how unassimilated he is and you have not addressed any of it except the turban.
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« Reply #181 on: October 16, 2017, 05:56:28 am »
I've already reiterated how unassimilated he is and you have not addressed any of it except the turban.

Ok - well I explained why he is assimilated, ie. he jumped through hoops to join the inner circles of power in Canada.  If he was still interested in Indian politics, that's immaterial IMO.  It's what you do, not what you don't do IMO.

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« Reply #182 on: October 16, 2017, 09:13:13 am »
If you decide to vote or not vote, or to donate or not donate, for a candidate because of their ethnicity you're disgusting.  Based very clearly on the statistics, this happened here in droves.  The people who decide to NOT vote for Singh because he's a certain ethnicity are equally disgusting.  It's vile disgusting tribalism that I wholeheartedly condemn.

  Wholly molly...If these Sikhs voted for J.Singh because, as you suspect, J.Singh is a Sikh, then they are vile disgusting tribalists.
                       If these Sikhs consider your position; agree and don't vote for J.Singh because  J.Singh is a sikh, then they are equally disgusting.
       On the other hand, If these Sikhs voted for J.Singh because they believe him to be the best candidate for the job then you approve. However you know they did no such thing and so they are disgusting.
       I'm curious, under what condition would their actions meet your approval?  Apparently, your suspicions would vanish if they had voted for anyone but J.Singh because J.Singh is a Sikh....But thats Vile and Disgusting       

                       
                                 
     
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« Reply #183 on: October 16, 2017, 09:30:13 am »
  Wholly molly...If these Sikhs voted for J.Singh because, as you suspect, J.Singh is a Sikh, then they are vile disgusting tribalists.

Correct.  If they voted for him (and funded him) because of his ethnicity, which many of them obviously did, though i'm sure not all.

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If these Sikhs consider your position; agree and don't vote for J.Singh because  J.Singh is a sikh, then they are equally disgusting.

Sure.

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On the other hand, If these Sikhs voted for J.Singh because they believe him to be the best candidate for the job then you approve.

Correct.

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However you know they did no such thing and so they are disgusting.

I'd wager most of them didn't, though very likely some voted for him irrelevant of his ethnicity.

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I'm curious, under what condition would their actions meet your approval?  Apparently, your suspicions would vanish if they had voted for anyone but J.Singh because J.Singh is a Sikh....But thats Vile and Disgusting.

Your argument is illogical and you're creating strawmans from my argument.  The voting action I would approve of is when people vote for the candidate they think has the best national policies regardless of their tribe or ethnicity.  If Sikh's voted for all of the NDP candidates in roughly the same proportions that every other ethnicity did, then that would be the ideal, wouldn't it?

Do you want whites voting for whites, Sikh's for Sikh's, Chinese for Chinese, men for men, women for women etc?  Do you find this healthy or harmful to our democracy?  Divisive or unifying?
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« Reply #184 on: October 16, 2017, 09:56:23 am »
How does the song go ?  Oh yeah: "Let's root root root for the HOME TEAM".

People vote for those close to them in temperament, skin colour, location, what have you... Disgusting ?  I think maybe we're asking too much of people to be that objective.

After all Hubert Humphrey lost the 1968 election but won Minnesota

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

Paul Martin used to always win Vancouver Quadra for some reason...

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« Reply #185 on: October 16, 2017, 07:10:38 pm »
I am willing to give him a chance. His actions will determine how successful he will be.

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« Reply #186 on: October 19, 2017, 02:07:19 pm »
I bet there are a lot worse opinion pieces being written in the Quebec media.

This kind of wink-wink encouragement for Sikh militants and Quebec separatists alike is really no different than the dog-whistle politics of some conservatives. It allows Mr. Singh to pander to his intended audience without the rest of the population cluing in or taking notice. All they see is the smiley turban-wearing hipster preaching "love and courage" as the solution to all our ills.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-dark-clouds-behind-singhs-sunny-ways/article36651504/
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« Reply #187 on: October 20, 2017, 01:50:20 pm »
Yes. Having a Sikh party leader is a wink-wink to militants, whom he has denounced. What bigoted garbage.
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« Reply #188 on: October 20, 2017, 01:51:09 pm »
This just in.....Justin Trudeau is a wink-wink to white christian extremists, who've committed numerous deadly lone wolf attacks.
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« Reply #189 on: October 21, 2017, 10:07:17 am »
Yes. Having a Sikh party leader is a wink-wink to militants, whom he has denounced. What bigoted garbage.

It's based on his own behaviour, his history of defending Sikh militants, and on his own words, not on his turban.

More quotes from the piece.

It was a touchy, but not inappropriate, question. As a CBC spokesman later pointed out, seeking to clarify Mr. Singh's personal position on a topic that bitterly divides the Sikh community in Canada was entirely legitimate. Many Canadian Sikhs (many of whom undoubtedly supported Mr. Singh's leadership bid) hold militant views. Asking Mr. Singh where he stands on those views is no different than CBC asking Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer whether he is beholden to the social conservatives who backed his own successful leadership bid.

Mr. Singh did denounce the bombing as a "heinous" terrorist act. But added: "I don't know who was responsible. But I think we need to find out who was truly responsible. We need to make sure the investigation actually results in a conviction of someone who was actually responsible." Since posthumous convictions are almost unheard of, this suggests the NDP Leader is unwilling to pin any blame on Mr. Parmar, conveniently letting his worshippers off the hook.
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« Reply #190 on: October 21, 2017, 10:09:12 am »
This just in.....Justin Trudeau is a wink-wink to white christian extremists, who've committed numerous deadly lone wolf attacks.

In what way would you say Justin Trudeau is a Christian of any sort?  Do you think he's ever read the bible? Do you think he cares what the Catholic Church where he is ostensibly a member, says about anything? I've often seen him say good things about Islam. I've never seen him say anything good about Christianity or Catholicism.
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« Reply #191 on: October 21, 2017, 12:02:07 pm »
In what way would you say Justin Trudeau is a Christian of any sort?  Do you think he's ever read the bible? Do you think he cares what the Catholic Church where he is ostensibly a member, says about anything? I've often seen him say good things about Islam. I've never seen him say anything good about Christianity or Catholicism.

He's attended the "Alpha" course, and he also says he reaffirmed his Christian core beliefs when his brother died.   
http://www.contextwithlornadueck.plujoextended.com/blog/justin-trudeaus-christian-faith

He still attends on Easter and Christmas, apparently, but otherwise keeps his faith private and separate from politics.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-and-life/life/faith/pms-faith-has-evolved-with-age-348375211.html





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« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2017, 01:58:05 pm »
He's attended the "Alpha" course, and he also says he reaffirmed his Christian core beliefs when his brother died.   
http://www.contextwithlornadueck.plujoextended.com/blog/justin-trudeaus-christian-faith

If you read the cite, you might take a look at the comments section. It's full of Christians who don't think Trudeau is a Christian. Certainly his extremely zealous pro-choice stance is diametrically opposed to church teachings, as is his 'right to die' legislation, and, for that matter, his enthusiastic support for gay rights.

Now, I consider myself Catholic and I disagree with the Church on abortion rights. But not with the same contempt and dismissal Trudeau has for pro-life people. In fact, I've never known a Christian who is so strongly opposed to people with pro-life views.
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« Reply #193 on: October 21, 2017, 02:29:25 pm »
If you read the cite, you might take a look at the comments section. It's full of Christians who don't think Trudeau is a Christian. Certainly his extremely zealous pro-choice stance is diametrically opposed to church teachings, as is his 'right to die' legislation, and, for that matter, his enthusiastic support for gay rights.

Now, I consider myself Catholic and I disagree with the Church on abortion rights. But not with the same contempt and dismissal Trudeau has for pro-life people. In fact, I've never known a Christian who is so strongly opposed to people with pro-life views.

Just giving you the information straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.   It hardly matters what other Catholics/Christians think of Trudeau:  if he thinks he's Catholic and/or Christian, and God agrees with him then he'll be fine on Judgement Day.  If God disagrees, he'll not be so fine.    What the comments section says, or what you say or what I say hardly matters when it comes to what JT believes about himself and his faith.  The only really important thing is whether he brings that with him to government, and as you point out - he does not.
 


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« Reply #194 on: October 21, 2017, 04:10:48 pm »
The only really important thing is whether he brings that with him to government, and as you point out - he does not.
Translation: his religion only matters if it means he supports ideas that you disagree with. IOW: Christians who support higher taxation to 'defend the rights of the poor and needy' are good. Christians who oppose abortion because of the 'sanctity of life' are bad. Both groups of Christians seek to impose their beliefs on others and any attempt to rationalize why one is good and one is bad will create double standards.
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