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Offline BC_cheque

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Murdered Muslim Family
« on: June 09, 2021, 01:56:11 am »
I hate to say this, but between going back to work, COVID, and the Kamloops mass-grave, at first I wasn't impacted about the Muslim family that was killed in London as I normally would be. 

The CBC has good article about the family and reading through it I finally shed some tears and felt connected to the story.  What a tragic sudden loss of life.  The wife graduated in Karachi as the only woman of a class of 170something people in engineering.  She'd finished her masters and was doing her PhD.  The husband worked as a physiotherapist in care homes and was very liked.  They did a lot in the community, not just Muslim community.

Their nightly walks had become part of the COVID ritual.  What a horrific ending.  I'm sure many 'islamaphobes' would agree that they were not the type of Muslims that they should hate and fear. 

The whole thing made me very sad.  We like to think we're better than Americans but it's just that our crazies aren't as vocal and attention seeking (though there are exceptions). 

That's twice in the last few years but I don't recall the US having any such incidents.  Canada is rearing a very ugly head on islamaphobia.  It's time to pay attention.

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Re: Murdered Muslim Family
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2021, 09:48:02 am »
I hate to say this, but between going back to work, COVID, and the Kamloops mass-grave, at first I wasn't impacted about the Muslim family that was killed in London as I normally would be. 

The CBC has good article about the family and reading through it I finally shed some tears and felt connected to the story.  What a tragic sudden loss of life.  The wife graduated in Karachi as the only woman of a class of 170something people in engineering.  She'd finished her masters and was doing her PhD.  The husband worked as a physiotherapist in care homes and was very liked.  They did a lot in the community, not just Muslim community.

Their nightly walks had become part of the COVID ritual.  What a horrific ending.  I'm sure many 'islamaphobes' would agree that they were not the type of Muslims that they should hate and fear. 

The whole thing made me very sad.  We like to think we're better than Americans but it's just that our crazies aren't as vocal and attention seeking (though there are exceptions). 

That's twice in the last few years but I don't recall the US having any such incidents.  Canada is rearing a very ugly head on islamaphobia.  It's time to pay attention.

The last few years have really driven home how misplaced Canadian smugness about the extent of racism in this country is.

This, from a London PC candidate of all people, sums it up:

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Re: Murdered Muslim Family
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2021, 10:27:59 pm »
Don't know where else to put this, but this is the first time i've seen an asian Nazi:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/antisemitic-swastika-man-park-toronto-1.6104039
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Re: Murdered Muslim Family
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2021, 05:50:00 am »
Idiot culture ?

It's kind of shocking but, then again, do we need to put these grandstand makers on the news ?

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2023, 03:43:46 pm »
Nathaniel Veltman guilty of 1st–degree and attempted murder in 2021 attack on Muslim family in London, Ont.


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The Ontario jury in the Nathaniel Veltman murder trial in Windsor has found Nathaniel Veltman guilty of four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder in the truck attack on a Muslim family in London in 2021, a verdict that drew tears and intense reaction, including from relatives of the victims.

The 12-member jury in the more than 10-week trial began deliberations on Wednesday and released its verdict Thursday afternoon after just six hours.

The Afzaals were out for an evening walk in suburban London when they were struck by a truck — which was driven by Veltman, information that was part of an agreed statement of facts. Yumnah Afzaal, 15, her parents Madiha Salman, 44, and Salman Afzaal, 46, and family matriarch Talat Afzaal, 74, were killed. A nine-year-old boy also injured in the attack survived.

Something in the water in London, ON?

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The day before he killed the Afzaal family, Veltman drove to Toronto wearing body armour and a military helmet. In his mental health assessment, he called it a "scouting" mission. What the jury didn't hear was that he told police he first considered targeting abortion providers. In his apartment, police found a list of addresses of 12 health-care providers who perform abortions, and on his phone, they found directions to Women's College Hospital in Toronto. The jury wasn't allowed to hear that information because it was ruled prejudicial.

The accused had a long history of preoccupation with abortion that started at a homeschooling conference at Redeemer University, a private Christian school in Hamilton, when he was 13 years old. He said he was shown videos of fetuses being destroyed that "triggered an intense rage in him," the mental health report states. "I wanted to kill the doctors and I asked my mother if it was OK to attack an abortion clinic," he told the psychiatrist. "I had a thought that one day I would shoot an abortion clinic. This thought stayed in my mind from the age of 13 years." His mother told him to speak to their pastor.

There was a publication ban on large parts of the accused's manifesto, entitled "A White Awakening," including parts where he spoke about wanting to harm abortion doctors. There were discussions about whether the jury should get a redacted copy of the document or whether parts of it should be read aloud to them by Crown prosecutors. In the end, parts of the manifesto were read out loud in court. The jury also didn't get to hear any excerpts from "The Great Replacement," the manifesto of Brenton Tarrant, the man the accused said had inspired him. Tarrant is the Christchurch, New Zealand, terrorist who killed 51 people and wounded 40 when he shot up two mosques in 2019. The Crown wanted his manifesto put into evidence because parts of it were mirrored in what the accused wrote in his own manifesto and in the words he said to a detective who interviewed him. The accused said his attack was "distasteful" and "damaging to the soul," the exact words used by Tarrant. Both referred to wanting to avenge the killing of a Swedish girl, Ebba Åkerlund. In the end, letting the jury hear even a summary of Tarrant's manifesto was deemed prejudicial.

Police officers found a copy of Adolf Hitler's autobiographical manifesto Mein Kampf in the accused's apartment, with passages highlighted, and 12 quotes from that document in "A White Awakening." They also found books by other well-known white supremacists, along with the Holy Bible, Book of Mormon and several copies of Creation magazine. The judge ruled they were inadmissible because they were likely to "arouse emotional reactions" from the jurors. "However, the horror of the alleged offence requires the court to be more, rather than less vigilant in protecting the accused's fair trial rights," Justice Renee Pomerance wrote in her decision. 

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Re: Murdered Muslim Family
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2023, 05:08:46 pm »
The misery continues 🤕

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2023, 05:24:58 pm »
The misery continues 🤕

I mean its a good thing this p.o.s. is getting sent down. hopefully he gets the full 100 years.

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2023, 06:27:31 pm »
I mean its a good thing this p.o.s. is getting sent down. hopefully he gets the full 100 years.

Not in Canada, you get life with 25 years before chance of parole for the first one, all the rest are freebies regardless of how many you kill.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2023, 10:15:42 pm »
I mean its a good thing this p.o.s. is getting sent down. hopefully he gets the full 100 years.
This from the guy advocating defunding the police, lax bail laws, etc.  You’re such a f**king hypocrite and phoney.

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2023, 12:14:31 am »
This from the guy advocating defunding the police, lax bail laws, etc.  You’re such a f**king hypocrite and phoney.

Hey look I know you’re bummed about your friend getting found guilty but no need to take it out on me.
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Re: Murdered Muslim Family
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2024, 10:53:22 pm »
Were the Muslim victims killed by a Caucasian criminal?  Sounds like it could be an instance of a hate crime.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2024, 07:01:19 am »
Were the Muslim victims killed by a Caucasian criminal?  Sounds like it could be an instance of a hate crime.

Yes, that was the implication although it wasn't charged.  They charged him with murder, attempted murder and terrorism.  But he apparently had written a racist manifesto called A WHITE AWAKENING

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/nathaniel-veltman-trial-white-awakening-document-found-on-laptop