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Offline waldo

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Re: gun control
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2020, 03:20:07 pm »
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« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2020, 04:53:57 pm »
Most hunting rifles are bolt action repeaters, not semi autos.

On one hand, Oswalt used a bolt action repeater to kill JFK (allegedly).

On the other hand, at least you can't mow masses of people down with them.
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« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2020, 04:55:45 pm »
No point in talking about gun control until we know what weapon the NS shooter used.
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« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2020, 05:20:20 pm »
No point in talking about gun control until we know what weapon the NS shooter used.

They are saying he didn't have a PAL. If so, any guns he had were owned illegally anyway.
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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2020, 05:43:26 pm »
On one hand, Oswalt used a bolt action repeater to kill JFK (allegedly).
On the other hand, at least you can't mow masses of people down with them.

These guys could.

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The first and confirmed record for the most hits on target during a 'Mad Minute' was set by Sgt-Major Jesse Wallingford - 36 hits at 300 yards in 1 minute in 1908. However, this was allegedly bettered in 1914, by Sergeant-Instructor Alfred Snoxall with 38 hits within the 24 inch inner ring in 60 seconds.
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« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2020, 08:10:50 pm »
They are saying he didn't have a PAL. If so, any guns he had were owned illegally anyway.

Doesn't matter...  making guns more difficult to get will affect illegal sales as well.  Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  It will save some lives, even if it's not a perfect solution.


These guys could.

Lee Enfield Mad Minute
The first and confirmed record for the most hits on target during a 'Mad Minute' was set by Sgt-Major Jesse Wallingford - 36 hits at 300 yards in 1 minute in 1908. However, this was allegedly bettered in 1914, by Sergeant-Instructor Alfred Snoxall with 38 hits within the 24 inch inner ring in 60 seconds.

How many could they have hit with a semi-auto modern rifle with a 15 round clip and spares on their belt?  The average shooter can't do that.

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« Reply #66 on: April 22, 2020, 08:45:26 pm »
Doesn't matter...  making guns more difficult to get will affect illegal sales as well.  Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  It will save some lives, even if it's not a perfect solution.




Well if he didn't have a PAL or FAC he couldn't have got them from a legal source so what is the point of more regulations?

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How many could they have hit with a semi-auto modern rifle with a 15 round clip and spares on their belt?  The average shooter can't do that.

A lot but these guys were exceptional. At the beginning of WW1 the pre war British regulars were so well trained and their rate of fire was so high, the Germans thought they were up against machine guns at Mons.

The Lee Enfield was also one of the most successful infantry weapons in history, it was the standard British (and Canadian) infantry rifle from the late 1800's to the 1950's.
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« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2020, 10:28:14 pm »
Well if he didn't have a PAL or FAC he couldn't have got them from a legal source so what is the point of more regulations?

Almost all illegal long guns and 1/3 of illegal handguns start out being purchased legally by Canadians.  If you restrict access to guns further, you reduce gun crime.  Study after study shows it.
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« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2020, 10:39:04 pm »
Almost all illegal long guns and 1/3 of illegal handguns start out being purchased legally by Canadians.  If you restrict access to guns further, you reduce gun crime.  Study after study shows it.

Maybe we should find out where he got his guns before we jump to conclusions.
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« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2020, 10:40:53 pm »
Maybe we should find out where he got his guns before we jump to conclusions.

It's not so much about this tragedy in a vacuum, but all of them as a whole.  Access to guns is deadly.  There's no argument to be had.
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« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2020, 10:53:34 pm »
It's not so much about this tragedy in a vacuum, but all of them as a whole.  Access to guns is deadly.  There's no argument to be had.

The largest number of gun homicides are committed with illegally obtained hand guns which have been restricted weapons in Canada since the 1930's
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« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2020, 11:05:07 pm »
I was down in Dallas one time during my regular training visits to Flight Safety Intn'l and I went to a gun shop just for kicks one evening to see what I could get. I told the man I was interested in an AR 15 and a few 15 round clips. The only problem was that I didn't have a state drivers license but that I could drive my rental car a half mile down the road, present my BC DL, get a picture taken, pay $35 bucks, and come on back (not even a driving test required) and I could buy whatever I wanted. I left the shop shaking my head as to how easy that could have been to become so well armed with so little check as to who I was.

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« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2020, 11:24:29 pm »
The largest number of gun homicides are committed with illegally obtained hand guns which have been restricted weapons in Canada since the 1930's

That's not the only problems that access to guns cause.  Long guns are used in a lot of successful suicides.  I'm really not a gun fan - less all of the time.

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« Reply #73 on: April 22, 2020, 11:30:24 pm »
That's not the only problems that access to guns cause.  Long guns are used in a lot of successful suicides.  I'm really not a gun fan - less all of the time.

I'm not either. Don't own one.
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« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2020, 11:40:36 pm »
That's not the only problems that access to guns cause.  Long guns are used in a lot of successful suicides.  I'm really not a gun fan - less all of the time.

The gun is the worst invention in human history.
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