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Offline MH

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Re: gun control
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2020, 12:28:07 pm »
Or we ban hunting ?

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Re: Liberal caucus and gun control
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2020, 12:33:59 pm »
I don’t know what kind of gun(s) the shooter used in the killing spree from yesterday, but here’s my common sense gun control ideas.

Guns have a legitimate purpose for hunting and maybe animal control.
Handguns are out.  These are not for hunting.
Shotguns - limited to a single or double barrel with single or 2 shots.  No more pump action.
Rifles - Single shot rifles only.  No more clips. 

This will have the effect of limiting the amount of damage a shooter can do, while still preserving hunting in the country.

I am a firearms owner.  Pump action shotgun for ducks and bear defence, a .410 for birds, a Sako .223 for deer.

I agree, the types of guns appropriate to hunting especially if you live in, or like to go to the country at appropriate times to maybe get something to stock up the freezer for the winter etc. are OK by me. Having had military training on various weapons during my day I would say if you need an AR-15 to knock down a deer then you shouldn't be allowed any type of gun. There's a reason they call it an "Attack" rifle. Our southern neighbors flog this second amendment nonsense to a fare thee well. Look at the idiots currently stomping around with loaded guns bitching about of all things government attempts to keep them safe from this Covid thing. Sounds like a dangerous mix to me.
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Re: Liberal caucus and gun control
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2020, 12:42:44 pm »
How about if hunters store their guns at armouries adjacent to hunting preserves? They check their guns out go hunting then return them to the armoury when they're finished?

They'll never give them up.  The headache isn't worth the cost.  People aren't dying en masse by single-shot hunting rifles.
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Re: Liberal caucus and gun control
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2020, 01:11:10 pm »
How about if hunters store their guns at armouries adjacent to hunting preserves? They check their guns out go hunting then return them to the armoury when they're finished?

Most people hunt on Crown land or private property.  “Hunting preserves” are just not a thing. 

Although, having central storage at a secure gun range might not be a bad idea.   Cost might be prohibitive though.  Then there are all the logistical issues like going hunting in a different area for weeks at a time.  May as well not have a central ”armoury” if you can just take your guns out for months at a time.  It would defeat the purpose.

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Re: gun control
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2020, 03:53:55 pm »
Or we ban hunting ?

Sorry, that’s just not a realistic option.   Tell the Inuit or an indigenous person who helps feed the people on reserve that they can’t hunt.  For non-indigenous hunters, the issue is the same...  food and tradition.  It will be tough to convince someone that they shouldn’t be allowed to hunt.  But if you still allow them to hunt, there’s no excuse to be against this other than “BUT I LOVE MY GUNS”!!!

But we can make it so that the guns people have access to aren’t the kind that would be very effective in a mass shooting scenario.  Single shot rifle is going to give people a lot more time to get cover, for police to shoot the assailant, etc.

Currently, it’s too easy to have a semi-auto rifle that can discharge a lot of rounds in a short time and have a few spare clips in your pocket can make the person a killing machine. 


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Re: gun control
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2020, 03:56:37 pm »
Or we ban hunting ?

Because of all those people getting murdered in the woods?
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Re: gun control
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2020, 04:23:22 pm »
I'll be interested to hear what type of gun the Nova Scotia shooter used and where and how he got it if they'll ever know. I hear it's up to 18 or 19 victims now depending on what news article you read.

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« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2020, 04:29:58 pm »
Because of all those people getting murdered in the woods?

Access to guns.   ::)

And if you don’t think easy access to guns that can kill multiple people is an issue (‘only the bad guys will have guns...  durrr’), you’re dead wrong.

The evidence is clear;  the more access to guns, the more gun violence you get.

. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts

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Re: gun control
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2020, 04:57:56 pm »
Or we ban hunting ?

By anyone who does it for fun.
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Re: gun control
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2020, 05:15:40 pm »
By anyone who does it for fun.

I’m not sure MH was actually serious about banning hunting.  If he was, then it was a pretty lazy and not well thought out post.   Because banning hunting doesn’t necessarily ban any guns. 

Maybe he meant banning all guns, despite people wanting to hunt and not trying to accommodate hunters like I did in my common sense gun regulations that I posted....   but I don’t know what was in MH’s mind.

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Re: gun control
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2020, 05:42:23 pm »
I’m not sure MH was actually serious about banning hunting.  If he was, then it was a pretty lazy and not well thought out post.   Because banning hunting doesn’t necessarily ban any guns. 

Maybe he meant banning all guns, despite people wanting to hunt and not trying to accommodate hunters like I did in my common sense gun regulations that I posted....   but I don’t know what was in MH’s mind.

Banning guns doesn't necessarily ban guns either.  Still, notwithstanding MH's motivation, I was serious.  I realise it's not going to happen.
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Re: gun control
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2020, 07:42:50 pm »
Access to guns.   ::)

And if you don’t think easy access to guns that can kill multiple people is an issue (‘only the bad guys will have guns...  durrr’), you’re dead wrong.

The evidence is clear;  the more access to guns, the more gun violence you get.

. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts
Looks like a COVID graph.

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« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2020, 07:48:39 pm »
Depends on the context more than the number. Countries such as those in Scandinavian and Switzerland have mandatory military service. Their militia keep their guns at home. Very different from the US where anyone can basically own as many of anything other than a fully automatic firearm. 
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Re: gun control
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2020, 08:02:35 pm »
Depends on the context more than the number. Countries such as those in Scandinavian and Switzerland have mandatory military service. Their militia keep their guns at home. Very different from the US where anyone can basically own as many of anything other than a fully automatic firearm.

And in the US you can still own a fully automatic weapon if you acquired it before 1986. And of course you can buy a semi automatic, install a bump stock and head downtown if you're pissed off about something.

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Re: gun control
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2020, 10:37:26 pm »
Banning guns doesn't necessarily ban guns either.  Still, notwithstanding MH's motivation, I was serious.  I realise it's not going to happen.

Well, how do you propose to weed out those who are doing it for “fun”, vs for food, or whatever other reason you deem acceptable?