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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #240 on: April 08, 2017, 04:47:57 pm »
Stop and frisk is something normally only done in high crime areas. I'm not aware we even do it in Canada, though stop and ... question' might be a better description here. That too is mostly in higher crime neighborhoods, and it targets those the police feel 'resemble' those who give them the most trouble. Yes, that means young Black men now, but not it's once again and cause/effect thing. It's not because police hate black skin. It's also a bit of a lazy way of meeting the people in your district/precinct/division who are most likely to be causing trouble (ie, young men), and recording where and when you met them so that if a crime happens nearby at that time detectives can look those people up and question them more thoroughly. The Son of Sam was caught largely because he had a parking ticket near one of his crimes.

Incidentally, Arabs are complaining here about being pulled over and stopped more often. Why? Because police hate Arabs? Nope. Because Arabs are involved in a lot of violent crime here. If we had a nasty white street gang in some neighborhood the police would be stopping and questioning young white men they found nearby. That's just what they do.

Unfortunately you don't have to be from a "nasty Black street" to be more likely to be pulled over, carded, or in the States even shot while you are reaching for your DL. Lets get those body cams in place.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #241 on: June 23, 2017, 07:05:25 pm »
So how are Black people (most of whom haven't been IN this country more than a generation) more oppressed by this than a poor white unilingual boy like I was?

I would agree that "in this country" things were better for non whites than they were sought of the border. But to not have witnessed oppression in this country you must have been a government employee hiding in an office building all your life.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #242 on: June 29, 2017, 12:04:47 pm »
I would agree that "in this country" things were better for non whites than they were sought of the border. But to not have witnessed oppression in this country you must have been a government employee hiding in an office building all your life.

No. You simply have to have an understanding of the English language and know that calling anyone living in Canada 'oppressed' is a joke.
Btw, things are better in this country for non-Whites than in any of the non-White countries, too.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #243 on: October 04, 2017, 02:16:04 am »
No. You simply have to have an understanding of the English language and know that calling anyone living in Canada 'oppressed' is a joke.
Btw, things are better in this country for non-Whites than in any of the non-White countries, too.

Well I'm glad to see you seeming to rise above your xenophobia. Welcoming come from away's is what Canada has always been about. Hint. some of them have different colored skin. But you don't have to hide under your bed. They are people too.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #244 on: October 04, 2017, 05:53:30 am »
Btw, things are better in this country for non-Whites than in any of the non-White countries, too.

Unless you count first nations as non-whites.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

I hate to be the BC of the board but that article is a wake up call.

Also what's with the hang time on those previous posts ?

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #245 on: October 04, 2017, 11:41:39 am »
Unless you count first nations as non-whites.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

I hate to be the BC of the board but that article is a wake up call.

For what?  The problem of poor statistical outcomes among natives is due to them living out in isolated and economically unsupported reserves. Put a bunch of blondes out there and they'd fare no better. Particularly with the awful and divided leadership they have and the incredibly paternalistic way government treats them and their problems.  The only way to make major changes is to force them through against the will of the comfortable and well-off chiefs who have little incentive to see the system they're on top of change in any major way, and this government is absolutely not going to do that. At most there will be more bureaucrats and more welfare money. But nothing will change under this government.


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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #246 on: October 04, 2017, 03:33:00 pm »
For what?  The problem of poor statistical outcomes among natives is due to them living out in isolated and economically unsupported reserves. Put a bunch of blondes out there and they'd fare no better.

To a point I agree with you.  That said, the ones living in urban centres also tend to do worse on average.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #247 on: October 04, 2017, 05:43:43 pm »
For what?  The problem of poor statistical outcomes among natives is due to them living out in isolated and economically unsupported reserves. Put a bunch of blondes out there and they'd fare no better. Particularly with the awful and divided leadership they have and the incredibly paternalistic way government treats them and their problems.  The only way to make major changes is to force them through against the will of the comfortable and well-off chiefs who have little incentive to see the system they're on top of change in any major way, and this government is absolutely not going to do that. At most there will be more bureaucrats and more welfare money. But nothing will change under this government.

None of this has anything to do with my refutation of your post.  I doubt that First Nations people in the cities are doing well either, but that also has nothing to do with your incorrect assertion.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #248 on: October 04, 2017, 09:53:50 pm »
For what?  The problem of poor statistical outcomes among natives is due to them living out in isolated and economically unsupported reserves. Put a bunch of blondes out there and they'd fare no better. Particularly with the awful and divided leadership they have and the incredibly paternalistic way government treats them and their problems.

I can't disagree.  If natives on reserves want to maintain a pre-industrial way of life by hunting and fishing and whatever other subsistence tasks in the middle of nowhere where centers of capitalism and modern industry are thriving in cities far away from them then natives will continue to maintain pre-industrial standards of living.  Pre-Columbian indigenous ways of life shouldn't be too romanticized, because malnutrition, famine, disease, infant mortality, war, murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, torture, rape etc. were common.  Life was brutal & unforgiving.  Many groups scalped humans alive for pete's sake!

The one thing natives did was move around a lot depending on where changing resources were.  They didn't stay stuck on reserves when resources weren't very good, they traveled to where they would best thrive.  They should now move to a small town/city where they can get an education and a job.  Give each of them a decent payout & a free education so they can get started more easily & let them be on their way.   Capitalism is the greatest social program in human history, it's lifted billions out of poverty & provided an incredible standard of living compared to centuries ago.  It's been 500 years & whitey ain't gonna help you much or give your land back so go help yourself, the infinite opportunities are all over this country staring you in the face.
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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #249 on: October 05, 2017, 05:46:31 am »
Give each of them a decent payout & a free education so they can get started more easily & let them be on their way.   Capitalism is the greatest social program in human history, it's lifted billions out of poverty & provided an incredible standard of living compared to centuries ago.

You're dealing with broken communities, though, who have no incentive and no means of supporting themselves.  At best, you might be able to negotiate some kind of resettlement which would be expensive but save money in the long term.


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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #250 on: October 05, 2017, 12:14:33 pm »
To a point I agree with you.  That said, the ones living in urban centres also tend to do worse on average.

A lot of the ones in urban centres came from reserves...

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #251 on: October 05, 2017, 12:17:48 pm »
None of this has anything to do with my refutation of your post.

Your 'refutation' was based on my saying non-Whites were better off in Canada than in their home countries. Introducing natives to the mix makes no sense whatsoever. I assumed it was to point out what a horrible, awful racist country Canada was - in keeping with the opinion of the prime minister - and was pointing out their problems are not due to racism but to other factors.

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Re: Justin Trudeau: the White Supremacist
« Reply #252 on: October 05, 2017, 12:50:24 pm »
Your 'refutation' was based on my saying non-Whites were better off in Canada than in their home countries.

Meh.  I missed your point then.  I searched back and couldn't find it, so I'm letting it go.