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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #825 on: August 27, 2019, 07:46:48 pm »
No, i was correct.

Here's what I said:
"Also, go find me the reference to abortions in the constitution.  Judges argued it fell under "security of the person", which should only apply if the woman's health is in jeopardy."

Here's from wikipedia:
"R v Morgentaler, [1988] 1 SCR 30 was a decision of the Supreme Court of Canada which held that the abortion provision in the Criminal Code was unconstitutional because it violated a woman's right under section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ("Charter") to security of person."[/b]

Half of what you said was correct.  So what about this “should only apply if the woman’s health is in jeopardy”?
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« Reply #826 on: August 27, 2019, 07:47:56 pm »
Actually it makes sense.  But somehow it makes you wonder what Scheer says to the religious types to make them like him.

Whatever they want to hear...   probably what he really feels...
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« Reply #827 on: August 27, 2019, 08:30:56 pm »
I linked to the wiki about the decision.   Read it.

I didn't link but I told you where to get the actual outcome from the courts. Read it.

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« Reply #828 on: August 27, 2019, 08:39:10 pm »
More:

"While Scheer did support the removal of the traditional definition of marriage from the Conservative Party's policy book in 2016, he has yet to march in a Pride parade and has not directly answered questions about where he stands on the issue today."
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« Reply #829 on: August 27, 2019, 08:42:42 pm »
Half of what you said was correct.  So what about this “should only apply if the woman’s health is in jeopardy”?

That's my own opinion.
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« Reply #830 on: August 27, 2019, 11:18:40 pm »
has the mega-distraction thread-drift finished... yet?

about that policy thingee... National Pharmacare - why would weak Andy/CPC be against it - anyone, anyone... anyone?

The Green Party has in their official federal platform that they would bring in free universal pharmacare, dental care, and free post-secondary education for all.  May thinks she's Bernie Sanders, yet doesn't seem to understand that education and healthcare is provincial jurisdiction.

why would weak Andy/CPC be against National Pharmacare? Canada is the only country in the world with universal healthcare... that doesn't include a pharmacare component... in 2018, Canadians spent $38 billion on prescription medicines... Canada ranks 3rd in the world in per-capita spending on medicines. As a CPC alternative to National Pharmacare, Scheer stated:
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A Conservative government would take steps to lower drug prices and improve access for those who can't afford it, addressing "gaps" in the system

contrast that Scheer/CPC nothingness to the: Statement from the Government of Canada on the Final Report  from the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare
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June 12, 2019 - Ottawa, ON - Government of Canada

Today, the Honourable Ginette Petitpas Taylor, Minister of Health, will table in Parliament the final report from the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare. She released the following statement:

“Our Government is pleased to receive the final report from the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare. We would like to thank Dr. Eric Hoskins and each of the Council members for their dedication, enthusiasm, and leadership on this complex issue. We would also like to recognize the important contributions from all Canadians who took the time to provide input to and to participate in discussions with the Council over the past year—patients, provincial and territorial governments, Indigenous leaders and peoples, health care providers, stakeholder organizations, and academics.

Canadians face some of the highest prescription drug prices in the world. This influences Canadians’ access to important medications and the sustainability of Canada’s health care system. That is why, in Budget 2018, we announced the creation of the Council to make recommendations on how to best move forward on implementing a national pharmacare program.

Over the coming months, we will carefully review the Council’s final report and its recommendations. We look forward to continuing to work closely and collaboratively with the provinces and territories and with our partners and stakeholders as we consider next steps. We will also continue moving forward with other important initiatives, including those announced in Budget 2019, to improve access to prescription drugs and to make medications more affordable for all Canadians.

Our Government remains committed to implementing national pharmacare in a manner that is affordable for Canadians and their families, employers, and governments. We know that our existing patchwork of drug coverage is not working well, leading to poorer health for some and higher costs for us all. We have to do better. Canadians should never have to choose between paying for prescription drugs and putting food on the table.”

A PRESCRIPTION FOR CANADA: ACHIEVING PHARMACARE FOR ALL - Final Report of the Advisory Council on the Implementation of National Pharmacare - June 2019

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« Reply #831 on: August 28, 2019, 02:16:17 am »
That's my own opinion.

Your opinion?  Totally irrelevant.  I just don’t think you actually read or knew much about the decision.  You didn’t even seem to know that it was a constitutional issue.

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Also, go find me the reference to abortions in the constitution.

You also don’t seem to know how the Charter works.  The Charter doesn’t need to reference every possible right.
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In general, courts have embraced a purposive interpretation of Charter rights.[24] This means that since early cases like Hunter v. Southam (1984) and R. v. Big M Drug Mart (1985), they have concentrated not on the traditional, limited understanding of what each right meant when the Charter was adopted in 1982, but rather on changing the scope of rights as appropriate to fit their broader purpose.[24] This is tied to the generous interpretation of rights, as the purpose of the Charter provisions is assumed to be to increase rights and freedoms of people in a variety of circumstances, at the expense of the government powers.[24]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Interpretation_and_enforcement

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« Reply #832 on: August 28, 2019, 07:51:38 am »
I addressed it. This is not some place in Asia.
So you think outlawing sex-selective abortion here will make people stop getting them? That's your position? The legislation might make you feel good but it will 1) do absolutely nothing to stop it (I already mentioned how you stop it), and 2) put up barriers that can be abused by pro-choice governments to limit what you consider "valid" abortions.

You know which abortions are valid? The ones that women get when they don't want to be pregnant. Those are all valid.
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« Reply #833 on: August 28, 2019, 09:17:18 am »
So you think outlawing sex-selective abortion here will make people stop getting them? That's your position? The legislation might make you feel good but it will 1) do absolutely nothing to stop it (I already mentioned how you stop it), and 2) put up barriers that can be abused by pro-choice governments to limit what you consider "valid" abortions.

You know which abortions are valid? The ones that women get when they don't want to be pregnant. Those are all valid.

My position is we should do nothing to enable gender selective abortions  and we shouldn’t pay for them. Enough with the straw men. The BC medical community has decided it is an issue and is taking whatever action it can to reduce the number of gender selective abortions.

From the way you dance around my two simple questions,  I can only assume that you do approve of abortion as a means of manipulating the gender of children and think government should pay for them.
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« Reply #834 on: August 29, 2019, 07:42:48 am »
My position is we should do nothing to enable gender selective abortions  and we shouldn’t pay for them.
Practically speaking how do you go about it? You think people walk into a clinic and go "Oh, I'm having a girl...please abort."

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« Reply #835 on: August 29, 2019, 07:43:50 am »
I can only assume that you do approve of abortion as a means of manipulating the gender of children and think government should pay for them.
You're being stupid with this comment. I gave a solution to gender selection. Just because you either don't like it or don't understand it doesn't mean I support it. FOH

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #836 on: August 29, 2019, 08:53:09 am »
No, i was correct.

Here's what I said:
"Also, go find me the reference to abortions in the constitution.  Judges argued it fell under "security of the person", which should only apply if the woman's health is in jeopardy."

Ho hum ... a man choosing how women "should" protect their security of person?

And what if men got pregnant ...   ????!!!!
Never judge someone else if you haven't been in their situation.

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« Reply #837 on: August 29, 2019, 11:49:54 am »
Ho hum ... a man choosing how women "should" protect their security of person?

And what if men got pregnant ...   ????!!!!
Never judge someone else if you haven't been in their situation.

So you're saying the Northern US states shouldn't have judged southern slave owners because the North didn't have cotton plantations.  You're saying as a Canadian you can't judge those slave owners either because you're not American. 

Granny, as a Canadian you shouldn't judge the actions of Israel regarding Palestinians because "you haven't been in their situation" so stop posting about it (according to your logic).  ;)
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« Reply #838 on: August 29, 2019, 11:55:02 am »
Practically speaking how do you go about it? You think people walk into a clinic and go "Oh, I'm having a girl...please abort."

As wilbur has previously stated, almost any doctor in Canada won't abort after 24 weeks without a good reason, so they can make it so doctors can't reveal the gender of a baby until after 24 weeks.
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« Reply #839 on: August 29, 2019, 12:30:39 pm »
Doesn't that restrict choice though ?