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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #795 on: August 26, 2019, 02:43:31 pm »
What do you think happens when people can't get an abortion because they can't afford it? Do you think they just go, "I guess I'll just have a baby instead?"

We are supposed to feel sorry for sexists who want to kill their unborn baby in a shady establishment simply because they don't like the baby's gender?  At what point do should we feel sorry for the unborn baby, who is dead due to sexism and has no say in the matter?

If a person is such a piece of crap that they would kill a healthy unborn baby because it isn't the sex they want and then stupid enough to do it in a back-alley establishment, maybe they deserve whatever fate they've made for themselves.  But again, people only feel sorry for the woman in this case, and would have the audacity to call ME cruel!
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« Reply #796 on: August 26, 2019, 02:53:06 pm »
Because of the restrictions in BC, some people have been going to the US for ultrasounds to determine gender. Kind of blows the "can't afford to have a child" argument out of the water.
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« Reply #797 on: August 26, 2019, 03:02:10 pm »
We are supposed to feel sorry for sexists who want to kill their unborn baby in a shady establishment simply because they don't like the baby's gender?  At what point do should we feel sorry for the unborn baby, who is dead due to sexism and has no say in the matter?

If a person is such a piece of crap that they would kill a healthy unborn baby because it isn't the sex they want and then stupid enough to do it in a back-alley establishment, maybe they deserve whatever fate they've made for themselves.  But again, people only feel sorry for the woman in this case, and would have the audacity to call ME cruel!

Perhaps you should go and preach to the ethnic community who have the overwhelming number of genetic specific abortions and not attack the procedure in general. Better to have them in hospitals than back alleys, once again.

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« Reply #798 on: August 26, 2019, 03:17:40 pm »
Perhaps you should go and preach to the ethnic community who have the overwhelming number of genetic specific abortions and not attack the procedure in general.

Who has most of them is irrelevant, in all cases gender abortions are wrong and shouldn't be allowed, and certainly shouldn't be funded on the taxpayer's dime.

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Better to have them in hospitals than back alleys, once again.

Ra.pe is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?

Pedophilia is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?
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« Reply #799 on: August 26, 2019, 03:24:12 pm »


Ra.pe is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?

Pedophilia is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?
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Your comparisons are ridiculous but hey, I'll humor you. Yes it would be better to have **** and pedophilia to happen in hospitals than back alleys since proper medical would be available.

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« Reply #800 on: August 26, 2019, 05:22:46 pm »
Concerning gender linked abortions, are there any valid medical reasons for them? There certainly are genetic abnormalities that are X-linked, Y-linked, and mitochondrial inheritance. I haven't studied them in detail, but there are certainly varying degrees of severity and probability of inheritance. I don't know if all can be detected by other means.

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« Reply #801 on: August 27, 2019, 07:32:49 am »
do you interpret/understand sex-selection abortion to be prevalent in Canada? Do you interpret/understand if medical agencies have practice/policy in place in this regard?
c'mon member wilber... member PG - one would think you'd preface your positions with actual facts/data, starting with the prevalence of so-called, 'gender-selection abortion'. What are the numbers/estimates? Surely this isn't just {yet} another Scheer/CPC reach-around anti-abortion ploy - surely!
member wilber! Still waiting for your stats/numbers on 'sex-selection abortions' in Canada... still waiting...
Because of the restrictions in BC, some people have been going to the US for ultrasounds to determine gender. Kind of blows the "can't afford to have a child" argument out of the water.

"some people" - how Trumpian!  ;D How many is a "some"?


So waldo, do you approve of abortion as a means to manipulate the gender of children and do you think government should pay for it?

member wilber... you haven't provided a reference point - for some reason you won't/can't put forward numbers/stats! How many is a "some"?

by the by, in Canada do women have to provide a reason to obtain an abortion? What does being pro-choice mean to you?
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« Reply #802 on: August 27, 2019, 09:06:56 am »
Wald

It happens and it doesn’t matter how many. Stop slithering and answer the question.
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« Reply #803 on: August 27, 2019, 09:39:59 am »
Some good thread drift.

Even JT hasn't really tried to make hay on abortion yet. Still just the tired rhetoric about cuts.

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« Reply #804 on: August 27, 2019, 09:58:56 am »
Do you have a problem with English? If someone suddenly decides to get an abortion when they find out a foetus is female, they aren't doing it because they can't afford it. We don't get any other "free" surgeries on demand just because we want them. Freedom of choice doesn't mean government has to pay for all your choices.

Simple soiution, doctors won't do abortions after 24 weeks unless medically necessary, don't allow the gender to be revealed until after 24 weeks.
So you might want to simmer down a bit because I've actually done population research in this area. Before abortion was safe and widely available, you know what they did in parts of Asia? They killed their infant daughters, especially higher order births (ie, they already had one daughter or a son). And they didn't bring these infants to the lake and drown them. Often times they deny them resources, for instance, starving them to death or not getting them medical treatment when they were sick. It was drawn out and torturous.

So again, I'm wondering what exactly you think happens when abortion isn't available. People will find another means to an end. That's what happens. You don't solve gender-selective abortion by restricting abortion. You solve it by integrating people into a more liberal culture that condemns this behaviour and values girls.

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« Reply #805 on: August 27, 2019, 11:24:51 am »
So you might want to simmer down a bit because I've actually done population research in this area. Before abortion was safe and widely available, you know what they did in parts of Asia? They killed their infant daughters, especially higher order births (ie, they already had one daughter or a son). And they didn't bring these infants to the lake and drown them. Often times they deny them resources, for instance, starving them to death or not getting them medical treatment when they were sick. It was drawn out and torturous.

So again, I'm wondering what exactly you think happens when abortion isn't available. People will find another means to an end. That's what happens. You don't solve gender-selective abortion by restricting abortion. You solve it by integrating people into a more liberal culture that condemns this behaviour and values girls.

This is Canada, not some third world country. You go to jail for those things here. You want to pay for abortions so people won't go to jail for abusing a child just because it is female. What kind of attitude is that?
Four of my six grand children are girls and I wouldn't trade them for anything. Anyone who would abort a foetus just because of its gender or abuse a child just because it is female is lower than dirt as far as I am concerned. I hope I have made myself clear.


I'll ask you the same question as waldo. Do you approve of abortion as a means to manipulate the gender of children and do you think government should pay for it?
Simple questions that just require a yes or no answer.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 11:30:57 am by wilber »
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« Reply #806 on: August 27, 2019, 11:25:32 am »
Some good thread drift.

Even JT hasn't really tried to make hay on abortion yet. Still just the tired rhetoric about cuts.

The Libs don’t have to lift a finger when the Cons themselves are keeping the issue alive and well....

Alain Rayes, the MP for Richmond–Arthabaska tasked with recruitment, has been informing candidates and telling the media that the abortion issue is dead and that MPs will be prevented from reopening it — information that Scheer’s office suggested was news to them and a policy that caught social conservative groups working to elect Conservative “pro-life” candidates by surprise.


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Rayes told Le Journal de Montréal in an interview published over the weekend that “Andrew Scheer has confirmed that he will not allow even one of his MPs to present an anti-abortion bill.”

Late Monday afternoon, he told HuffPost that he was “sorry for any confusion.”

“If I had a different interpretation of what he [Scheer] said, it’s my error and the words of the leader prevail,” he wrote in an email.

Quebec CPC candidates in Quebec were counting on the CPC not allowing abortion legislation...   but the party/Scheer may be saying something different in French than in English. 

Oops.

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Alissa Golob, the co-founder of the anti-abortion group RightNow, believes, as many other Conservatives do and as Scheer himself seemed to outline, that this pledge means only that his cabinet would not reopen the issue. Her group is actively working to nominate and elect anti-abortion candidates who can introduce legislation that would allow for some abortion restrictions.

“I think there would be an outcry from a lot of Conservative MPs, even those who maybe aren’t fully pro-life, who would not agree with that decision made by the leader,” she told HuffPost, of a scenario where Tory MPs’ freedom of speech was restricted.

So Scheer says there will be no legislation on abortion...   but social conservatives think they can introduce anti-abortion legislation. 

What did I hear about “political suicide”?

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« Reply #807 on: August 27, 2019, 11:50:56 am »
I'll ask you the same question as waldo. Do you approve of abortion as a means to manipulate the gender of children and do you think government should pay for it?
Simple questions that just require a yes or no answer.
You're begging the question and haven't once addressed the issue that I raised with your position.

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« Reply #808 on: August 27, 2019, 11:55:14 am »
You're begging the question and haven't once addressed the issue that I raised with your position.
I addressed it. This is not some place in Asia.
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« Reply #809 on: August 27, 2019, 02:42:58 pm »
Before abortion was safe and widely available, you know what they did in parts of Asia? They killed their infant daughters, especially higher order births (ie, they already had one daughter or a son). And they didn't bring these infants to the lake and drown them. Often times they deny them resources, for instance, starving them to death or not getting them medical treatment when they were sick. It was drawn out and torturous.

So again, I'm wondering what exactly you think happens when abortion isn't available. People will find another means to an end. That's what happens. You don't solve gender-selective abortion by restricting abortion. You solve it by integrating people into a more liberal culture that condemns this behaviour and values girls.

If you kill a baby you should be put in jail for life for murder.  I'm sure gender-selected abortions done by people other than from developing countries.

This is like saying we should legalize assault rifles because people will just buy them on the street.

Ra.pe is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?

Pedophilia is going to happen no matter what, better to have them in hospitals than back-alleys?
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