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« Reply #765 on: August 25, 2019, 02:59:05 pm »
What bothers me about things like,

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“that the House of Commons reiterate that a woman’s body belongs to her and her alone, and recognize her right to choose an abortion regardless of the reason.”

is they are total bullshit. Parliament has done nothing on the subject of abortion since the 1988 SC decision and doesn't want to touch it with a barge poll, except make self serving politics with declarations that mean SFA. All the abortion law and policy in this country has been made by the courts and the medical profession and our parliamentarians are quite happy keeping things that way while they play politics with it.

Lot of hypocritical clowns IMO.
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« Reply #766 on: August 25, 2019, 03:03:20 pm »
You're not wrong, that's what would happen.  What is disgusting and tragic is that in New York City, there are more black babies that are aborted than are born each year.  Think about that for a minute.

I think when an abortion is performed the mother and father should be required by law to attend sex education sessions and learn how to properly use birth control and how to access it.

100% of unwanted pregnancies can be prevented (besides cases of r.ape). There are NO excuses.  If women used the pill, every man used a condom, and every man pulled out before ejaculating (and if he didn't after being told by the woman to do so he could be charged with ra.pe), and they used these 3 methods properly, the unwanted pregnancy and abortion rate would be virtually zero.

Unfortunately we live in a society filled with selfish and irresponsible people who believe sex involving ejaculation inside a va.gina is a human right, abortion for any reason is a right, the unborn have no rights, and where many feel they don't need to use multiple methods of birth control properly during sex.

You're proposed **** charge is a little whacky but yes, birth control is certainly preferable to abortion. The Black situation in NY you speak of is once again parallels the economics.

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« Reply #767 on: August 25, 2019, 03:05:50 pm »
What bothers me about things like,

is they are total bullshit. Parliament has done nothing on the subject of abortion since the 1988 SC decision and doesn't want to touch it with a barge poll, except make self serving politics with declarations that mean SFA. All the abortion law and policy in this country has been made by the courts and the medical profession and our parliamentarians are quite happy keeping things that way while they play politics with it.

Lot of hypocritical clowns IMO.

Where is it "politics" to leave the decision on abortion "between a woman and her doctor"? That wasn't a political decision it was a court decision.

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« Reply #768 on: August 25, 2019, 03:12:45 pm »
Where is it "politics" to leave the decision on abortion "between a woman and her doctor"? That wasn't a political decision it was a court decision.

That's what I said. Parliamentarians stand up and demand grandiose declarations in the House while knowing they never have been, or ever will be, responsible for anything. If that isn't political, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #769 on: August 25, 2019, 03:20:22 pm »
That's what I said. Parliamentarians stand up and demand grandiose declarations in the House while knowing they never have been, or ever will be, responsible for anything. If that isn't political, I don't know what is.

Voting for Scheer is something I wouldn't do for many reasons, but the possibility that his party would reopen this issue, based on what he said while campaigning is one of the bigger ones.

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« Reply #770 on: August 25, 2019, 03:25:57 pm »
Voting for Scheer is something I wouldn't do for many reasons, but the possibility that his party would reopen this issue, based on what he said while campaigning is one of the bigger ones.

They can't reopen it, the SC has ruled and healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction. It's all bullshit.
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« Reply #771 on: August 25, 2019, 03:44:12 pm »
Canada is a country that likes to be governed from the centre. Parties lean left or right but if the deviate too far from the centre, they get punished.
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« Reply #772 on: August 25, 2019, 03:54:56 pm »
They can't reopen it, the SC has ruled and healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction. It's all bullshit.

They can open it anytime they want. Mulroney tried in '89 but he failed.

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« Reply #773 on: August 25, 2019, 04:14:06 pm »
They can open it anytime they want. Mulroney tried in '89 but he failed.
It failed then and would fail again. In fact it would be an even bigger fail and would cost them if they tried.
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« Reply #774 on: August 25, 2019, 04:29:50 pm »
They can't reopen it, the SC has ruled and healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction. It's all bullshit.

The Green Party has in their official federal platform that they would bring in free universal pharmacare, dental care, and free post-secondary education for all.  May thinks she's Bernie Sanders, yet doesn't seem to understand that education and healthcare is provincial jurisdiction.  ???

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision/health-care

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision/support-our-students
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« Reply #775 on: August 25, 2019, 05:47:19 pm »
What does the public purse have to do with choice? If you decide to abort a fetus just because of its gender, the issue isn't economics.

My point is that the person with the purse strings does not get to ask why.  Nor should they.

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« Reply #776 on: August 25, 2019, 05:48:10 pm »
The Green Party has in their official federal platform that they would bring in free universal pharmacare, dental care, and free post-secondary education for all.  May thinks she's Bernie Sanders, yet doesn't seem to understand that education and healthcare is provincial jurisdiction.  ???

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision/health-care

https://www.greenparty.ca/en/our-vision/support-our-students

The Feds can provide funding to the provinces to cover these things.   But this is the Scheer thread, not the May thread.
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« Reply #777 on: August 25, 2019, 06:05:34 pm »
My point is that the person with the purse strings does not get to ask why.  Nor should they.

Then put some measures in place to ensure abortions are not carried out on the basis of gender.
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« Reply #778 on: August 25, 2019, 06:13:23 pm »
Then put some measures in place to ensure abortions are not carried out on the basis of gender.

We appear to be talking on two different paths here.  I am pro choice, and do not believe one can be pro choice if one wants to vet the choice.  It's like freedom of speech.  If one is for it, then one doesn't get to decide which speech one is for. 

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« Reply #779 on: August 25, 2019, 06:29:20 pm »
We appear to be talking on two different paths here.  I am pro choice, and do not believe one can be pro choice if one wants to vet the choice.  It's like freedom of speech.  If one is for it, then one doesn't get to decide which speech one is for.

We already vet the choice, abortions are not performed beyond 24 weeks, are you in favour of allowing them at any time?

I'm surprised so called feminists would support abortions solely on the basis of the foetus being female.
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