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« Reply #750 on: August 25, 2019, 12:17:01 pm »
To me, abortion because of gender should be classified as cosmetic surgery, and not the kind you have for burns or other major trauma.

Again, you're getting people to explain their choice, and denying an abortion based on what you think of the choice.  I can't agree with that. 

I might agree with you on your opinion of the choice, but I don't think one can claim to be pro-choice if one makes distinctions. 

To my mind, the question of why should never be asked.
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« Reply #751 on: August 25, 2019, 12:31:30 pm »
Again, you're getting people to explain their choice, and denying an abortion based on what you think of the choice.  I can't agree with that. 

I might agree with you on your opinion of the choice, but I don't think one can claim to be pro-choice if one makes distinctions. 

To my mind, the question of why should never be asked.

What does the public purse have to do with choice? If you decide to abort a fetus just because of its gender, the issue isn't economics.
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« Reply #752 on: August 25, 2019, 12:50:27 pm »
And if that is the reason, the public purse sure as hell shouldn’t be paying for it.

The problem with that argument is that abortions become a luxury of the rich. Poor families are forced through economic circumstances to grow to unsupportable sizes, further propagating class separation.

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« Reply #753 on: August 25, 2019, 01:21:58 pm »
The problem with that argument is that abortions become a luxury of the rich. Poor families are forced through economic circumstances to grow to unsupportable sizes, further propagating class separation.

If you are having an abortion based on the foetus gender, it isn't because you are poor.
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« Reply #754 on: August 25, 2019, 01:32:10 pm »
If you are having an abortion based on the foetus gender, it isn't because you are poor.

And if you're not having an abortion and at the same time concerned how you will feed the child it probably is because you're poor.

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« Reply #755 on: August 25, 2019, 01:44:39 pm »
And if you're not having an abortion and at the same time concerned how you will feed the child it probably is because you're poor.

I never said they can't have one, just that if they are aborting a foetus just because of its gender, it isn't because they are poor. Boy children eat too. Teenage boys eat a hell of a lot. When our son came back to live at home for awhile, our grocery bill about doubled.
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« Reply #756 on: August 25, 2019, 01:45:30 pm »
If you are having an abortion based on the foetus gender, it isn't because you are poor.

If people know that certain reasons are forbidden, why wouldn’t they just lie?   Even if what you’re saying is reasonable, there is no workable solution.   Unless you want lie detectors for women who want an abortion?
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« Reply #757 on: August 25, 2019, 01:47:46 pm »
If people know that certain reasons are forbidden, why wouldn’t they just lie?   Even if what you’re saying is reasonable, there is no workable solution.   Unless you want lie detectors for women who want an abortion?
I think if you have an ultrasound and suddenly decide to abort a healthy foetus, the reason is pretty clear. Still you can do it, just don't expect someone else to pay for it.

To me, that doesn't meet the definition of "Healthcare".
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« Reply #758 on: August 25, 2019, 01:48:32 pm »
I think if you have an ultrasound and suddenly decide to abort a healthy foetus, the reason is pretty clear.

Really?  What if they change their mind about wanting a baby?  Couldn’t that happen after an ultrasound?

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« Reply #759 on: August 25, 2019, 01:52:26 pm »
Really?  What if they change their mind about wanting a baby?  Couldn’t that happen after an ultrasound?

Sure, but why should someone else pay for it?
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« Reply #760 on: August 25, 2019, 01:59:36 pm »
Professional guidelines in Canada dictate that no physician in Canada can terminate a pregnancy over 24 weeks without serious indications that the life of the mother is at risk or that the fetus has very serious malformations.

Who here disagrees with that?
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« Reply #761 on: August 25, 2019, 02:03:17 pm »
Really?  "My health is in jeopardy" is as ethical a choice to kill the unborn as "i don't want a girl/boy"?

I believe that women should able to control their own bodies, but when that body is connected to another body that was created through the woman's own willful choices, well things get a lot more complex.

I find your use of the term "willful choices" offensive.
You were all about men being very careful not to cause pregnancy ... but if an 'accident' happens, suddenly it's the fault of women's "willful choices"?

How about this: If a man doesn't believe a woman should have an abortion, he should keep it in his pants except for wanted pregnancies. Because if he doesn't, he has no right to denigrate a woman for "willful choices".
IE, Men can't go flicking their dick around, causing unwanted pregnancies, blaming the women for pregnancy, and claiming they don't believe  abortion is justified due to women's "willful choices".

There's a whole fat load of hypocrisy and misogyny in that.
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« Reply #762 on: August 25, 2019, 02:13:15 pm »
To me, abortion because of gender should be classified as cosmetic surgery, and not the kind you have for burns or other major trauma.

The problem is people will simply lie if some reasons are covered and some aren't, unless it's something like all non-medical reasons are not covered and all medical reasons are.
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« Reply #763 on: August 25, 2019, 02:21:38 pm »
The problem is people will simply lie if some reasons are covered and some aren't, unless it's something like all non-medical reasons are not covered and all medical reasons are.

In BC you can't book an ultrasound exam or extend a routine exam for the purpose of determining gender. As far as I am concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to release the gender until after 24 weeks.
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« Reply #764 on: August 25, 2019, 02:46:28 pm »
The problem with that argument is that abortions become a luxury of the rich. Poor families are forced through economic circumstances to grow to unsupportable sizes, further propagating class separation.

You're not wrong, that's what would happen.  What is disgusting and tragic is that in New York City, there are more black babies that are aborted than are born each year.  Think about that for a minute.

I think when an abortion is performed the mother and father should be required by law to attend sex education sessions and learn how to properly use birth control and how to access it.

100% of unwanted pregnancies can be prevented (besides cases of r.ape). There are NO excuses.  If women used the pill, every man used a condom, and every man pulled out before ejaculating (and if he didn't after being told by the woman to do so he could be charged with ra.pe), and they used these 3 methods properly, the unwanted pregnancy and abortion rate would be virtually zero.

Unfortunately we live in a society filled with selfish and irresponsible people who believe sex involving ejaculation inside a va.gina is a human right, abortion for any reason is a right, the unborn have no rights, and where many feel they don't need to use multiple methods of birth control properly during sex.
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