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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #660 on: August 23, 2019, 10:56:43 am »
Chretien is also a practicing Catholic. But he was PM when virtue signalling wasn't an issue and neither was gay marriage such a cause celeb. Sign of the times.

What Chrétien thought in the 90’s really doesn’t matter.   What’s important is what the current leadership thinks.  Does Scheer think gay marriage is a human right?  Simple question that “It’s the law of the land” doesn’t answer. 

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« Reply #661 on: August 23, 2019, 11:13:37 am »
What Chrétien thought in the 90’s really doesn’t matter.   What’s important is what the current leadership thinks.  Does Scheer think gay marriage is a human right?  Simple question that “It’s the law of the land” doesn’t answer.

What Chretien thought in the nineties doesn't matter but what Scheer thought 15 years ago does. Double standard don't you think. "The Law of the Land is an answer because it is. I don't expect a politician's personal beliefs to be exactly in sync with mine, if I did I couldn't vote for anyone. It's their public policy and actions that matter.

He does need to address this.
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« Reply #662 on: August 23, 2019, 11:18:28 am »
It would nice if he came out in full support of Gay Marriage, but he's probably worried about losing support on the other end of his party to the PPC. It's politics.
Scheer needs to address this but it was 15 years ago. Has no one here had their views change and evolve over time? I know mine have, including on the question of gay relationships.
So just to be clear, You're of the opinion that people can't evolve from opinions that haven't aged well?
Has Scheer’s opinion on being gay evolved?   I doubt it.  He doesn’t say “I was wrong.  Being gay and gay marriage is actually ok”.   He says “it’s the law of the land” or something stupid like that.  His views haven’t changed.
Well let's see what he says. He hasn't made a public statement yet. But I do know he won't re-open this issue.
Well this is in the new "Now" because of something he said in 2005.
What Chretien thought in the nineties doesn't matter but what Scheer thought 15 years ago does. Double standard don't you think.

guys, guys - cause it's Scheer in 2016! Hey member Boges, is this your evolution of Scheer... is this, as you say, the new "Now"? Hey member wilber, still your stated double standard - still?

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« Reply #663 on: August 23, 2019, 11:23:18 am »
What Chretien thought in the nineties doesn't matter but what Scheer thought 15 years ago does. Double standard don't you think. "The Law of the Land is an answer because it is. I don't expect a politician's personal beliefs to be exactly in sync with mine, if I did I couldn't vote for anyone. It's their public policy and actions that matter.

He does need to address this.

No, what he thinks now matters.  I don’t want a bigot as the PM even if he doesn’t govern like a bigot.  (As if that type of personal view wouldn’t influence your governing).    It matters what a potential PM thinks of a human rights issue.

“Listen...   coloured folk can vote...   it’s the law of the land and we won’t change that”

Would you just think “well, his personal views don’t mesh with mine about the coloureds, but he won’t do anything to change the laws about whether they can vote, so he’s ok”?



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« Reply #664 on: August 23, 2019, 11:28:08 am »
What Chretien thought in the nineties doesn't matter but what Scheer thought 15 years ago does. Double standard don't you think. 

Yes I do.

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« Reply #665 on: August 23, 2019, 11:34:44 am »
No, what he thinks now matters.  I don’t want a bigot as the PM even if he doesn’t govern like a bigot.  (As if that type of personal view wouldn’t influence your governing).    It matters what a potential PM thinks of a human rights issue.

“Listen...   coloured folk can vote...   it’s the law of the land and we won’t change that”

Would you just think “well, his personal views don’t mesh with mine about the coloureds, but he won’t do anything to change the laws about whether they can vote, so he’s ok”?

I think you are getting hysterical.
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« Reply #666 on: August 23, 2019, 11:40:34 am »
I think you are getting hysterical.

You don’t think gay marriage is a human rights issue?

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« Reply #667 on: August 23, 2019, 11:49:59 am »
You don’t think gay marriage is a human rights issue?

Not only gay marriage but I'd be concerned we would see the abortion issue on the table again.

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« Reply #668 on: August 23, 2019, 11:52:03 am »
I think he needs to reply to the gay marriage statements.  They were made in 2005 - 14 years ago.  Perhaps he has softened his views.

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« Reply #669 on: August 23, 2019, 12:05:30 pm »
I think he needs to reply to the gay marriage statements.  They were made in 2005 - 14 years ago.  Perhaps he has softened his views.

**Not a CPC or Sheer fan, just like to believe people can change their views given new information.**
I doubt his religious views have changed.
I think he has only said that he will respect/obey?  the law.

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« Reply #670 on: August 23, 2019, 12:22:14 pm »
I doubt his religious views have changed.
I think he has only said that he will respect the law.

Hmmmm, not reassuring, is it?  Respect the law.....until he can change it?

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« Reply #671 on: August 23, 2019, 12:26:09 pm »
“Canadians can have absolute confidence that a Conservative government after the election in October will not reopen this issue.”

There’s just one small problem, of course — Scheer gave a very different answer to an anti-abortion group when they asked him the same question about reopening the abortion debate.

During the 2017 Conservative leadership race, Scheer sat down for an interview with the anti-abortion group RightNow who asked him if he’d allow Conservative MPs to table private members bills targeting abortion as well as permit backbenchers and cabinet ministers to vote freely on anti-abortion legislation.

Scheer said yes.

“We allow for a diversity of views on these issues within our own caucus and we don’t tell anyone that they have to park their conscience of faith at the door,” Scheer told the anti-abortion group.

“It’s important that the next leader of our party not only allows that, but celebrates that tradition of having free votes on matters of conscience.”

https://pressprogress.ca/andrew-scheer-told-anti-abortion-group-hed-let-conservative-mps-reopen-the-abortion-debate/
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« Reply #672 on: August 23, 2019, 12:41:20 pm »
You don’t think gay marriage is a human rights issue?

Of course it is. We expect our politicians not to bring their religious beliefs to Government, regardless of the party they represent. It is the law of the land and has withstood court challenges, it isn't going to change. Any attempt to change it will meet the scorn it deserves.
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« Reply #673 on: August 23, 2019, 12:48:32 pm »
“Canadians can have absolute confidence that a Conservative government after the election in October will not reopen this issue.”

There’s just one small problem, of course — Scheer gave a very different answer to an anti-abortion group when they asked him the same question about reopening the abortion debate.

During the 2017 Conservative leadership race, Scheer sat down for an interview with the anti-abortion group RightNow who asked him if he’d allow Conservative MPs to table private members bills targeting abortion as well as permit backbenchers and cabinet ministers to vote freely on anti-abortion legislation.

Scheer said yes.

“We allow for a diversity of views on these issues within our own caucus and we don’t tell anyone that they have to park their conscience of faith at the door,” Scheer told the anti-abortion group.

“It’s important that the next leader of our party not only allows that, but celebrates that tradition of having free votes on matters of conscience.”

https://pressprogress.ca/andrew-scheer-told-anti-abortion-group-hed-let-conservative-mps-reopen-the-abortion-debate/

I am in favour of free votes on matters of conscience, it lets you know where individuals really stand relative to their party and public sentiment.

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« Reply #674 on: August 23, 2019, 12:56:07 pm »
Of course it is. We expect our politicians not to bring their religious beliefs to Government, regardless of the party they represent. It is the law of the land and has withstood court challenges, it isn't going to change. Any attempt to change it will meet the scorn it deserves.

I also expect my PM and anyone in government to actually be actively in favour of human rights, not just put up with them because they have to.   Being a bigot excludes you from holding office, in my opinion, so I like to know what their personal views actually are. 

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