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Offline cybercoma

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #645 on: August 23, 2019, 09:39:43 am »
Bill Maher is not a liberal. He's not progressive at all. He's a scorch-the-earth libertarian that wants to watch the world burn and makes good money doing it.
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« Reply #646 on: August 23, 2019, 09:45:37 am »
Bill Maher is not a liberal. He's not progressive at all. He's a scorch-the-earth libertarian that wants to watch the world burn and makes good money doing it.

 ::)

So just to be clear, You're of the opinion that people can't evolve from opinions that haven't aged well?

If you were on record of being against Gay marriage in 2005, you can't suddenly say you're for it now and not receive political blowback.

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« Reply #647 on: August 23, 2019, 10:00:29 am »
Christ. Stop reading conservative blogs. Virtue signalling isn't unique to "liberals." Conservatives practically live on virtue signalling. The biggest irony is just the damn phrase "virtue signalling" has come to be "HEY! LOOK AT ME! I HATE LIBERALS!" It's literally virtue signalling to use the phrase "virtue signalling" itself!

Liberal or not, virtue signalling is a thing.

For the first 23 years of my life it was illegal to be a homosexual in Canada, People are no different now than they were then, they just have a benefit of hindsight that those before did not. That's no reason to claim moral superiority, that is just virtue signalling.
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« Reply #648 on: August 23, 2019, 10:02:33 am »
::)

So just to be clear, You're of the opinion that people can't evolve from opinions that haven't aged well?

If you were on record of being against Gay marriage in 2005, you can't suddenly say you're for it now and not receive political blowback.

Has Scheer’s opinion on being gay evolved?   I doubt it.  He doesn’t say “I was wrong.  Being gay and gay marriage is actually ok”.   He says “it’s the law of the land” or something stupid like that.  His views haven’t changed. 
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« Reply #649 on: August 23, 2019, 10:09:06 am »
Has Scheer’s opinion on being gay evolved?   I doubt it.  He doesn’t say “I was wrong.  Being gay and gay marriage is actually ok”.   He says “it’s the law of the land” or something stupid like that.  His views haven’t changed.

Well let's see what he says. He hasn't made a public statement yet. But I do know he won't re-open this issue.

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« Reply #650 on: August 23, 2019, 10:17:36 am »
Scheer needs to address this but it was 15 years ago. Has no one here had their views change and evolve over time? I know mine have, including on the question of gay relationships.

Jean Chretien and Paul Martin also voted against gay marriage during the Chretien years.

So did Harper.  What really matters is what Boges said, how will Scheer govern?  He's certainly not going to repeal gay marriage, just as Harper didn't, it's political suicide, and would probably be challenged by the Supreme Court anyways.
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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #651 on: August 23, 2019, 10:21:00 am »
Well let's see what he says. He hasn't made a public statement yet. But I do know he won't re-open this issue.

He hasn’t stated anything in the years since it became legal...   that’s rather odd.   Except for “it’s the law of the land”.  Well, we know that Mr. Scheer...    what do you actually think?

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« Reply #652 on: August 23, 2019, 10:22:41 am »
Jean Chretien and Paul Martin also voted against gay marriage during the Chretien years.

So did Harper.  What really matters is what Boges said, how will Scheer govern?  He's certainly not going to repeal gay marriage, just as Harper didn't, it's political suicide, and would probably be challenged by the Supreme Court anyways.

And they were wrong to do so.  And none of them are the potential Prime Minister of the country.  Saying how $hitty someone else used to be does not excuse Scheer of being a $hitty person now. 

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« Reply #653 on: August 23, 2019, 10:26:24 am »
Well let's see what he says. He hasn't made a public statement yet. But I do know he won't re-open this issue.

He's already made it pretty clear in interviews where he said he has his own Roman Catholic religious beliefs but that he has no intention of messing with gay marriage law.
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« Reply #654 on: August 23, 2019, 10:29:16 am »
He's already made it pretty clear in interviews where he said he has his own Roman Catholic religious beliefs but that he has no intention of messing with gay marriage law.

“What do you think of blacks marrying whites”?

“Well...   it’s the law of the land, I guess...   we don’t plan on changing it back”

I’m a racist bigot, but I will follow the law...    that’s an awesome stance.

I’m a homophobic bigot, but I will follow the law.

Not exactly PM material.
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« Reply #655 on: August 23, 2019, 10:31:25 am »
Scheer of being a $hitty person now.

Well this is in the new "Now" because of something he said in 2005.

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« Reply #656 on: August 23, 2019, 10:34:32 am »
He's already made it pretty clear in interviews where he said he has his own Roman Catholic religious beliefs but that he has no intention of messing with gay marriage law.

Chretien is also a practicing Catholic. But he was PM when virtue signalling wasn't an issue and neither was gay marriage such a cause celeb. Sign of the times.
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« Reply #657 on: August 23, 2019, 10:39:29 am »
Well this is in the new "Now" because of something he said in 2005.


Someone email this to Mr. Scheer, so he can stop the carnage:

“Like many Liberal MPs, including the PM of the time, I used to hold these views.   They were wrong and I am fully supportive of gay marriage in Canada as a human right”. 

Rather than “I’m a homophobic bigot, but it’s the law of the land”. 

2 simple sentences can flip the Liberal political play on its head and make it a win for him and his party and make the Libs look petty. 
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« Reply #658 on: August 23, 2019, 10:46:53 am »
“I’m a homophobic bigot, but it’s the law of the land”. 

He said that?  ::)

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« Reply #659 on: August 23, 2019, 10:53:07 am »
He said that?  ::)

Without actually saying the 1st part, yes.  When he goes on about the “law of the land”, I draw the inference that he’s a homophobic bigot.  I think it’s pretty clear.  Because if I can whip up 2 sentences for the media to flip the narrative, so can his consultants.  But he can’t bring himself to say that.   Why not?