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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #540 on: July 11, 2019, 06:33:27 pm »
So Scheer thinks people can voluntarily change their sexual preference with the help of kooky religious pseudo-science quackery? 

This is quite a revelation ...  someone needs to let the actual mental health/medical community that the religious kooks had it right all along!
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« Reply #541 on: July 11, 2019, 07:20:11 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 11, 2019, 04:16:12 pm
wow - apparently it took staunch Conservative Adler's call-out to get the following clarification from Scheer:



Sheer's word salad, his dance, his weasel wording... now has him being further called out for being accepting to those types of so-called conversion therapy that are entered into "voluntarily"!

This is what a voluntary conversion therapy graduate looks like: "Helmet guy", Christopher Vanderweide (red tshirt), violent Christian homophobe attacking Pride folk at Pride Fest, Hamilton. Now in jail, assault w weapon x2

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/chris-vanderweide-pride-1.5192540

Maybe I'll send the video to Andrew Scheer.
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« Reply #542 on: July 11, 2019, 09:56:37 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 11, 2019, 04:16:12 pm
Sheer's word salad, his dance, his weasel wording... now has him being further called out for being accepting to those types of so-called conversion therapy that are entered into "voluntarily"!

If 2 people want to do something, and the client has informed consent and they know what they're getting into, what the heck is the state's business to prevent them?  I don't care at all if some gay dude wants to try to turn un-gay (even if it almost certainly won't work) and some other person thinks they can help.  WHO CARES???  Are we going to ban exorcisms too?

They will probably get a Charter challenge out legislation if it bans all such therapy from all sorts of Christian, Jewish, Muslim groups etc.
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« Reply #543 on: July 11, 2019, 09:57:20 pm »
Quote from: the_squid on July 11, 2019, 06:33:27 pm
So Scheer thinks people can voluntarily change their sexual preference with the help of kooky religious pseudo-science quackery?

Please quote where Scheer said this.
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« Reply #544 on: July 11, 2019, 10:06:23 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 11, 2019, 04:16:12 pm
wow - apparently it took staunch Conservative Adler's call-out to get the following clarification from Scheer:



Sheer's word salad, his dance, his weasel wording... now has him being further called out for being accepting to those types of so-called conversion therapy that are entered into "voluntarily"!

Charles Adler is also the one who roasted Jason Kenney for being incapable of addressing the gay-hating members of the Alberta UCP.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5129721/alberta-election-charles-adler-jason-kenney-transcript/

It's easy to dismiss this kind of criticism if it comes from people you view as opponents or activists, but when somebody who is on your own side points out how bad this looks it makes you take it more seriously.

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« Reply #545 on: July 11, 2019, 10:13:52 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 11, 2019, 09:56:37 pm
If 2 people want to do something, and the client has informed consent and they know what they're getting into, what the heck is the state's business to prevent them?
Two answers:
1) it's dangerous quackery, and is akin to allowing medical claims that are false.  Also demeans a group as being somehow worthy of identification as a disease.
2) it doesn't matter but Trudeau can get Scheer to figuratively **** his pants once more on the public stage.  This legislation may well never be introduced let alone pass.
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« Reply #546 on: July 11, 2019, 10:56:07 pm »
Quote from: MH on July 11, 2019, 10:13:52 pm
1) it's dangerous quackery, and is akin to allowing medical claims that are false.

So is homeopathy, and all sorts of other nonsense, but we don't ban that.  I'm not saying i'm for these treatments, very far from it, but should the state be involved in this?

If they banned them I wouldn't really care, i'm sure they give people that don't want to be gay "false hope".  But i really don't think Scheer coming out against involuntary conversion and wanting to see the full policy is anything bad.  But people like in this thread will just run with it and twist it into Scheer being a homophobe, so will the media, and it just makes Scheer look bad.
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« Reply #547 on: July 11, 2019, 11:07:57 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 11, 2019, 10:56:07 pm
So is homeopathy, and all sorts of other nonsense, but we don't ban that.  I'm not saying i'm for these treatments, very far from it, but should the state be involved in this?

If they banned them I wouldn't really care, i'm sure they give people that don't want to be gay "false hope".  But i really don't think Scheer coming out against involuntary conversion and wanting to see the full policy is anything bad.  But people like in this thread will just run with it and twist it into Scheer being a homophobe, so will the media, and it just makes Scheer look bad.

Buddying up with "United We Roll" and Faith Goldy are ways he just made himself look bad.
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« Reply #548 on: July 12, 2019, 06:44:22 am »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 11, 2019, 10:56:07 pm
1. So is homeopathy, and all sorts of other nonsense, but we don't ban that.  I'm not saying i'm for these treatments, very far from it, but should the state be involved in this?

2. If they banned them I wouldn't really care, i'm sure they give people that don't want to be gay "false hope".  But i really don't think Scheer coming out against involuntary conversion and wanting to see the full policy is anything bad.  But people like in this thread will just run with it and twist it into Scheer being a homophobe, so will the media, and it just makes Scheer look bad.
1. Homeopathy isn't dangerous though.
2. You didn't respond to my number two.
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« Reply #549 on: July 12, 2019, 11:16:27 am »
Quote from: MH on July 12, 2019, 06:44:22 am
Homeopathy isn't dangerous though.

It's far more dangerous than conversion therapy when people seek it out instead of regular medical treatment.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #550 on: July 12, 2019, 11:41:48 am »
We need conversion therapy to turn Conservatives into normal functioning people.
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Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #551 on: July 12, 2019, 12:09:21 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 12, 2019, 11:16:27 am
It's far more dangerous than conversion therapy when people seek it out instead of regular medical treatment.

Sure, but it's not dangerous on its own - only when paired with neglect.

Number two ?
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« Reply #552 on: July 12, 2019, 02:27:28 pm »
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« Reply #553 on: July 12, 2019, 05:05:36 pm »
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« Reply #554 on: July 12, 2019, 09:09:08 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 11, 2019, 09:56:37 pm
If 2 people want to do something, and the client has informed consent and they know what they're getting into, what the heck is the state's business to prevent them?  I don't care at all if some gay dude wants to try to turn un-gay (even if it almost certainly won't work) and some other person thinks they can help.  WHO CARES???  Are we going to ban exorcisms too?

They will probably get a Charter challenge out legislation if it bans all such therapy from all sorts of Christian, Jewish, Muslim groups etc.

See a voluntary 'conversion-therapy' graduate in action:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/chris-vanderweide-pride-1.5192540

Looks like conversion therapy created a violent homophobe. Still think it's a good idea?
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