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Offline Omni

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #495 on: July 05, 2019, 03:28:53 pm »
Quote from: the_squid on July 05, 2019, 03:18:37 pm
Sounds pretty wishy-washy...

But, if in government,  I hope he does, or his backbenchers do, because that bunch will go the way of the dodo bird if they tried.

But why "hope" to waste all that time/money going through that process?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #496 on: July 05, 2019, 03:37:25 pm »
Quote from: Omni on July 05, 2019, 03:28:53 pm
But why "hope" to waste all that time/money going through that process?

Because it would be the end of Scheer's political career, as well as prevent the CPC from governing for many years...   which would be a small price to pay.
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« Reply #497 on: July 05, 2019, 03:52:58 pm »
Quote from: the_squid on July 05, 2019, 03:37:25 pm
Because it would be the end of Scheer's political career, as well as prevent the CPC from governing for many years...   which would be a small price to pay.

The much smaller price would be to simply let that sleeping dog lie.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #498 on: July 08, 2019, 10:59:54 am »
Again, I think it's pretty pathetic that JT and the Liberals will try to win re-election by fear-mongering over Abortion rights.

Perhaps he could run on the promises he's kept.  :D
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« Reply #499 on: July 08, 2019, 11:52:35 am »
Quote from: Boges on July 08, 2019, 10:59:54 am
Perhaps he could run on the promises he's kept.  :D

which JT promises (not kept) give you real concern, real pause, real consternation... and are there any of those that weakSauce Scheer has indicated he will work to remedy, work to keep? Equally, what (separate) Scheer election promises have caught your partisan eye?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #500 on: July 08, 2019, 12:38:04 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 05, 2019, 11:55:29 am

Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 05, 2019, 12:42:31 pm
Selective polling #'s like Trump I see.

CBC aggregated poll tracker of all polls updated July 3 shows CPC up by 4%:

no - Nanos polling is reputable/respected... if nothing else it shows a continued shift away from the days of the Scheer trumped-up, ConMedia fueled, fake St. Jody "scandal". Poll tracker seems to have 'jumped the shark' with its inclusion of the most questionable closed-shop polls (ala Angus Reid, Leger).

in any case, another recent poll from Abacus that continues the same theme:
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #501 on: July 08, 2019, 05:16:17 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 05, 2019, 11:25:28 am
Michael Coren - June 30, 2019

Calling out Andrew Scheer's religious extremism --- With an election on the way it needs to be asked whether the man who wants to be prime minister really does believe that LGBTQ people are disordered and immoral

Love the horns. Lol


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #502 on: July 08, 2019, 10:33:13 pm »
Quote from: waldo on July 08, 2019, 12:38:04 pm
no - Nanos polling is reputable/respected... if nothing else it shows a continued shift away from the days of the Scheer trumped-up, ConMedia fueled, fake St. Jody "scandal". Poll tracker seems to have 'jumped the shark' with its inclusion of the most questionable closed-shop polls (ala Angus Reid, Leger).

How is nanos so "reputable/respected" if it has the smallest sample size and highest margin of error of all the pollsters on the CBC poll tracker? 

Nanos has a sample size of only 1000, while Angus Reid has a huge sample size of 4600+ with a margin of error half that of Nanos.

More accurate than all the polls is a weighted average of all the polls. This provides by far the biggest sample size.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #503 on: July 09, 2019, 12:48:12 am »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on July 08, 2019, 10:33:13 pm
How is nanos so "reputable/respected" if it has the smallest sample size and highest margin of error of all the pollsters on the CBC poll tracker? 

Nanos has a sample size of only 1000, while Angus Reid has a huge sample size of 4600+ with a margin of error half that of Nanos.

More accurate than all the polls is a weighted average of all the polls. This provides by far the biggest sample size.

Nanos polling is based on a four-week rolling sample derived from 1,000 phone interviews --- each week, a new 250 interviews are added, while the oldest week is dropped. As I'm aware, Nanos was the first polling methodology to include cell phone numbers and it never relies upon voluntary participation... like the Angus Reid (and Leger) methodology you're touting does - again, these "closed shop" type polling results are not surveys of the random public. By the by: neither Angus Reid or Leger provide their own margin of error figures - their methodologies don't support the concept... if you doubt me, I suggest you actually invest a few cycles and look into the respective methodologies behind an assortment of polls - the MOE figure you're seeing for Angus Reid in the CBC poll tracker is one that the "aggregator" has chosen to assign to it. Of course, overt bias is also a part of an aggregate - like the historical CPC favouring bias shown by Forum results. 
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Offline Granny

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #504 on: July 09, 2019, 01:56:29 am »
Quote from: waldo on July 09, 2019, 12:48:12 am
Nanos polling is based on a four-week rolling sample derived from 1,000 phone interviews --- each week, a new 250 interviews are added, while the oldest week is dropped. As I'm aware, Nanos was the first polling methodology to include cell phone numbers and it never relies upon voluntary participation... like the Angus Reid (and Leger) methodology you're touting does - again, these "closed shop" type polling results are not surveys of the random public.

How so?
 "Nanos ... never relies upon voluntary participation..."

Involuntary respondents? Lol
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #505 on: July 09, 2019, 01:57:47 am »
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« Reply #506 on: July 09, 2019, 02:18:03 am »
Quote from: Granny on July 09, 2019, 01:56:29 am
How so?
 "Nanos ... never relies upon voluntary participation..."

Involuntary respondents? Lol

hey now! Since this is a thread I created... does anyone know if existing threads are 'grandfathered' and won't be included in the new moderation policy that would allow me to smite this member Granny comment?  ;D

ok, ok, the waldo accepts missing context... although that context has been included in many prior posts. Again, Angus Reid/Leger rely upon creating a 'closed-shop' of voluntary participants - those who are willing to join the club based upon offered "incentives/rewards"... certainly not representative of random involuntary public sampling... of willing participants within that involuntary sampling!!!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #507 on: July 09, 2019, 07:06:47 am »
Looks like 338 has the Liberals up again.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #508 on: July 09, 2019, 01:14:01 pm »
Quote from: Granny on July 09, 2019, 01:56:29 am
How so?
 "Nanos ... never relies upon voluntary participation..."

Involuntary respondents? Lol

I assume the difference is between subscription and random sampling. I know some polling organizations have people sign up to participate on a regular basis and others just call totally random people out of the blue. The subscription based organizations don't always use the same sample set every poll, but pull people from a larger pool. I can't speak to the individual organizations and their methodologies.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #509 on: July 09, 2019, 02:12:29 pm »
is the 3-Amigos 'juggernaut' failing? Say it ain't so!

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