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Offline waldo

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #465 on: June 21, 2019, 12:58:40 am »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on June 20, 2019, 09:51:57 pm
Who knows why Cooper had it printed.  What was his M.O.?  Wild speculation is not good enough

why bother being such an apologist for the guy?

=> can you offer any rationale explanation as to why CPC MP Cooper would come to the Justice Committee hearing with a hard-copy of the Christchurch terrorist's 'manifesto'?

=> can you explain why CPC MP Cooper would take such exception to having a review of content history stated... a review that simply mentioned that a terrorist included conservative commentators within the content he sought out?

Quote from: waldo on June 19, 2019, 06:23:37 pm
summarizing the extent of what was said by the witness - Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council president Faisal Khan Suri:
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"The evidence from Bissonette's computer showed he repeatedly sought content about anti-immigrant, alt-right and conservative commentators, mass murderers, U.S. President Donald Trump, and about Muslims, immigrants living in Quebec," Suri said. He added that two other shooters in recent history — including the man who killed 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue in October 2019, and the man accused of killing 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand — were also influenced by the spread of hate from alt-right networks.
apparently, simply mentioning "conservative commentators" as a part of the terrorists content review history... was enough to set the clearly unhinged Cooper off!
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #466 on: June 21, 2019, 12:23:53 pm »
Quote from: waldo on June 21, 2019, 12:58:40 am
why bother being such an apologist for the guy?

The censors and moral bullies will come after us for stupid reasons too next.

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=> can you offer any rationale explanation as to why CPC MP Cooper would come to the Justice Committee hearing with a hard-copy of the Christchurch terrorist's 'manifesto'?

Possible explanations:

- Cooper is a closet Nazi who carries around the manifesto in his front chest pocket close to his heart at all times.

- Cooper is at a committee hearing on online hate and has key evidence prepared in front of him for reference.

- Cooper has psychic powers to know what Suri was going to say in advance so Cooper prepared his response and paperwork in advance and "set him up".  Cooper then reported back to Professor X and Jean Grey psychically and left the committee in the blackbird to debrief in the X-Mansion. The whole things is a ruse to bring Magneto out of hiding from the Savage Land.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #467 on: June 21, 2019, 12:29:45 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on June 21, 2019, 12:23:53 pm
Possible explanations:

- Cooper is a closet Nazi who carries around the manifesto in his front chest pocket close to his heart at all times.

- Cooper is at a committee hearing on online hate and has key evidence prepared in front of him for reference.

- Cooper has psychic powers to know what Suri was going to say in advance so Cooper prepared his response and paperwork in advance and "set him up".  Cooper then reported back to Professor X and Jean Grey psychically and left the committee in the blackbird to debrief in the X-Mansion. The whole things is a ruse to bring Magneto out of hiding from the Savage Land.

ceptin' the alt-right flavoured Cooper wigged out at the mere reference to "conservative commentators" being a part of the terrorists content review history (which was factual)... and being the "wunderkind" Cooper is, he thought reading from the manifesto was some kind of counter/argument to the factual statement made by the witness.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #468 on: June 21, 2019, 12:34:32 pm »
Quote from: Poonlight Graham on June 21, 2019, 12:23:53 pm
The censors and moral bullies will come after us for stupid reasons too next.

Possible explanations:

- Cooper is a closet Nazi who carries around the manifesto in his front chest pocket close to his heart at all times.

- Cooper is at a committee hearing on online hate and has key evidence prepared in front of him for reference.

- Cooper has psychic powers to know what Suri was going to say in advance so Cooper prepared his response and paperwork in advance and "set him up".  Cooper then reported back to Professor X and Jean Grey psychically and left the committee in the blackbird to debrief in the X-Mansion. The whole things is a ruse to bring Magneto out of hiding from the Savage Land.

None of those explanations are valid. Luckily the whole charade got shut down due to the inappropriateness of his comments.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #469 on: June 21, 2019, 12:35:34 pm »
Quote from: waldo on June 21, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
ceptin' the alt-right flavoured Cooper wigged out at the mere reference to "conservative commentators" being a part of the terrorists content review history (which was factual)... and being the "wunderkind" Cooper is, he thought reading from the manifesto was some kind of counter/argument to the factual statement made by the witness.

Professor X is smarter than either of us or Cooper, who are we to question?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #470 on: June 22, 2019, 06:47:34 pm »
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #471 on: June 23, 2019, 10:42:40 am »
Quote from: waldo on June 21, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
ceptin' the alt-right flavoured Cooper wigged out at the mere reference to "conservative commentators" being a part of the terrorists content review history (which was factual)... and being the "wunderkind" Cooper is, he thought reading from the manifesto was some kind of counter/argument to the factual statement made by the witness.

Why on earth would Cooper think that a quote from a mass xenophobic murderer's rantings was 'proof' of anything?
Cooper: 'It's not the conservatives, It's the communists ... because a raving murderous lunatic said so!'

Ridiculous.
Xenophobe or not, and clearly Cooper is, that's the DUMBEST justification I have ever heard.
Cooper obviously doesn't have the intelligence to be in government. He needs to retire to the country and tend his goats.
I hope his Party or his constituents arrange that at election time.
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« Reply #472 on: June 25, 2019, 12:59:36 am »
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« Reply #473 on: June 25, 2019, 01:35:05 am »
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #474 on: June 26, 2019, 08:21:21 am »
If Conservatives are tied, they're winning the general by 2-3 points, imho. It's not enough to be tied. It's not enough to be ahead by 2-3 points. The liberals need at least a 4-5 point lead to be secure.

The biggest problem for the Liberals is this. The polls are a general distribution of votes--it's the national popular vote. That's not how elections are won. Elections are won based on 338 local votes and right now that's a huge problem for Trudeau.

Why? Because he's losing A LOT of seats in the Maritime Provinces, where they had a clean sweep last election. The first thing you're going to see on election night is New Brunswick falling to the Conservatives, after which the Liberals need to play catch up.

Where are they going to get those seats?

The best chance they have right now is Ontario (since Doug Ford is trash), but that means they're going to have to flip some NDP ridings, as well as Conservative. Meanwhile, NDP voters aren't fleeing to the Liberals; they're shifting to the Greens.

I just don't see where the seats are going to flip in favour of the Liberals here. New Brunswick is going to end up deciding this election and right now that's to Scheer's benefit.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #475 on: June 26, 2019, 08:27:04 am »
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

Eric Grenier has had the CPC up a consistent 5 points since Lav-Scam.

He's the same guy who had the aggregation site that used to be used as the best indicator. Not one poll but a collaboration of all of them.

I've been hearing/seeing Liberal Attack ads on Scheer.

Basically fear-mongering that the CPC will make healthcare private. So I guess JT's re-election tactic will be to lie to the public.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #476 on: June 26, 2019, 09:25:44 am »
Quote from: Boges on June 26, 2019, 08:27:04 am
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

Eric Grenier has had the CPC up a consistent 5 points since Lav-Scam.

He's the same guy who had the aggregation site that used to be used as the best indicator. Not one poll but a collaboration of all of them.

I've been hearing/seeing Liberal Attack ads on Scheer.

Basically fear-mongering that the CPC will make healthcare private. So I guess JT's re-election tactic will be to lie to the public.
Grenier's polling is probably the strongest, imho, because it tries to account for the fact that elections are a series of 338 wins and not a national popular vote. It's difficult to do because some parts of the country aren't well represented in the sample, so there's a lot of variation around the predictions for those areas. New Brunswick is one of those areas, but I live here and I can say with confidence the Liberals absolutely will not sweep here again. They're going to lose A LOT of ridings.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #477 on: June 26, 2019, 10:49:00 am »
The polls don't mean a lot right now because of strategic voting, as seen in the last 2 federal elections.  In 2011 in the last month of the election voters jumped ship from the Liberals to the NDP and the NDP formed the opposition.  In 2015 in the last month voters jumped ship from NDP to the Liberals since they were seen as a the best bet to defeat Harper, and Trudeau came away with a surprising majority.

You add up the poling #'s for Liberals, NDP, and Greens and you have about 55% of the total vote, plus the Bloc has another 5%.  There's plenty of votes there to swing 5 or 10 points to the Liberals to beat Scheer if left-leaning voters dislike him enough.

What would be wild is a mass exodus to the Greens like the "orange crush" of 2011.  Funny is Trudeau's strong emphasis on the dangers of climate change and all these floods and forest fires i'm sure can only help the Greens.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #478 on: June 26, 2019, 11:54:28 am »
Quote from: cybercoma on June 26, 2019, 08:21:21 am
If Conservatives are tied, they're winning the general by 2-3 points, imho.

the point of showing the Nanos 'tie' was to reinforce the slow climb back from the influence of the fake/trumped-up CPC/ConMedia fueled Wilson-Raybould "scandal". If I recall, you have offered comment pointing out Nanos as one of the most reputable/representative polls.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #479 on: June 26, 2019, 12:05:02 pm »
Quote from: Boges on June 26, 2019, 08:27:04 am
Eric Grenier has had the CPC up a consistent 5 points since Lav-Scam.

He's the same guy who had the aggregation site that used to be used as the best indicator. Not one poll but a collaboration of all of them.

I've been hearing/seeing Liberal Attack ads on Scheer.

Basically fear-mongering that the CPC will make healthcare private. So I guess JT's re-election tactic will be to lie to the public.

problem with poll-tracker is it includes the garbage results from the likes of Angus-Reid & Leger... closed-shop results that, again, are not a random reflection of the public (albeit Grenier does give them a lesser weighting factor). The latest Forum poll (as it is... just landlines called) is another reflection on the diminishing impact of the "LavScam" you mentioned... back in the throes of when "Jody" reigned supreme (aided & abetted by a compliant media), Forum regularly had poll results like CPC 42/Lib 29... their latest results now show a 4-5 point difference.
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