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« Reply #450 on: June 19, 2019, 03:23:42 pm »
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""Striking this from the record will ensure that the safety of this space has been restored," she [NDP member] said.

Apparently justice committees are now "safe spaces" as per the NDP committee MP, and you can't mention controversial info or the names of murderers or even have it on the record because somebody might be offended.   ::)

Let's coddle our democracy in a bubble just like we do our kids!
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« Reply #451 on: June 19, 2019, 03:39:37 pm »
. It's all theatre.
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Attempting to use a murderers "manifesto" as evidence made it all very bad theater. Both sides agreed and acted. 

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« Reply #452 on: June 19, 2019, 04:04:12 pm »
Attempting to use a murderers "manifesto" as evidence made it all very bad theater. Both sides agreed and acted.

I don't find quoting a manifesto of someone everyone in the committee was discussing as bad taste.

Anyways, the CPC MP seems like a doorknob based on alleged law school comments he made, so maybe there's more to the story, but I haven't read it.  Scheer dug himself into this hole based on previous actions/comments so now he has to be extra vigilant against alt-right type people in his party.  I can see Scheer booting him out of caucus if he were smart.

The conservative and progressive parties in this country are a joke, this country is going to hell.
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« Reply #453 on: June 19, 2019, 04:16:34 pm »
I don't find quoting a manifesto of someone everyone in the committee was discussing as bad taste.

Anyways, the CPC MP seems like a doorknob based on alleged law school comments he made, so maybe there's more to the story, but I haven't read it.  Scheer dug himself into this hole based on previous actions/comments so now he has to be extra vigilant against alt-right type people in his party.  I can see Scheer booting him out of caucus if he were smart.

The conservative and progressive parties in this country are a joke, this country is going to hell.

The document was written by an obviously mentally deranged man who killed 51 people so attempting to use it as some sort of evidence is not valid.

If you think this country is "going to hell", take a look at our southern neighbor lately. I much prefer to stay here thanks.

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« Reply #454 on: June 19, 2019, 06:23:37 pm »
What did Cooper do wrong in the committee?  Nothing, from what I see
The CBC stated that a Canadian Muslim leader was testifying before the committee and said that there was a link between "conservative commentators" and the Christchurch shooter's motives, and he lumped "conservative commentators" in with commentators who were alt-right, mass murderers, anti-immigrant etc.  As per above, the conservative MP was offended by this inaccurate statement & so read a passage from the shooter's manifesto that said he rejects "conservatism".

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Reading the name and quoting the words of the Christchurch shooter, especially when directed at a Muslim witness during a parliamentary hearing, is insensitive and unacceptable. Mr. Cooper has apologized. I accept his apology and I consider the matter closed

summarizing the extent of what was said by the witness - Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council president Faisal Khan Suri:
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"The evidence from Bissonette's computer showed he repeatedly sought content about anti-immigrant, alt-right and conservative commentators, mass murderers, U.S. President Donald Trump, and about Muslims, immigrants living in Quebec," Suri said. He added that two other shooters in recent history — including the man who killed 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue in October 2019, and the man accused of killing 51 people at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand — were also influenced by the spread of hate from alt-right networks.

apparently, simply mentioning "conservative commentators" as a part of the terrorists content review history... was enough to set the clearly unhinged Cooper off!

but what about Cooper and the goat-huuurduuuurs?

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« Reply #455 on: June 20, 2019, 01:13:06 am »
The document was written by an obviously mentally deranged man who killed 51 people so attempting to use it as some sort of evidence is not valid.

He left behind a manifesto that described his motives and ideology.  Of course it's valid.  Only a fool would ignore such a huge piece of evidence.  Mein Kampf is nutty but it's still valid.
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« Reply #456 on: June 20, 2019, 01:20:42 am »
Scheer: "Reading the name and quoting the words of the Christchurch shooter, especially when directed at a Muslim witness during a parliamentary hearing, is insensitive and unacceptable. Mr. Cooper has apologized. I accept his apology and I consider the matter closed."

That's ridiculous.  Scheer is just bowing to PC pressure nonsense.  Grow some balls weaksauce!  Reading the name of the shooter is insensitive?  :D That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11.  As a christian westerner i'm offended by hearing his name OMG I'M MELTING!!!

Go ask Rue if hearing Hitler's name drops him into the fetal position.
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« Reply #457 on: June 20, 2019, 02:09:08 am »
What is offensive about that?  Was it simply the fact that the MP mentioned the name of the shooter and read anything from the manifesto, especially in front of a Muslim witness?  That's what it seems like:

What's Cooper doing at the committee meeting with a mass killer's manifesto?
Seems he planned his attack in advance.

Suri said that Bissonnette’s [who murdered 6 Muslims in Quebec] online history showed he repeatedly sought out “alt-right and conservative commentators” and encouraged more action on online hate.
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On Tuesday, Cooper said Faisal Khan Suri, the president of the Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council, should “be ashamed” of himself for linking conservative commentators to Quebec mosque shooter Alexandre Bissonnette and the terror attacks in New Zealand.


Well, of course I guess It's just more important to Cooper to defend conservative commentators that to be concerned about online hate against Muslims. <sarcasm>

50 Muslimd dead in NZ
6  Muslims dead in  Quebec.

But at least he didn't say "goatherder".
Anybody want to take bets that Cooper will be the next mass Muslim shooter?
He's a raving racist lunatic.
We pay him for that?!

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« Reply #458 on: June 20, 2019, 01:48:20 pm »
What's Cooper doing at the committee meeting with a mass killer's manifesto?

I assume Cooper and everyone else has laptops and access to the internet.  If they were talking about targeted killings of Muslims by these types of western white terrorists all of that evidence seems pretty relevant.

Why can a committee on 9/11 read from Bin Laden's fatwa's (filled with anti-semetic & anti-Christian hate) but a committee on western anti-Muslim terror can't read from a killer's manifesto?  And not even a part that expressed any hatred?  Such PC fragility BS.  And the progressive MPs even struck relevant facts like the shooter's name from the official government record.  Ridiculous censorship.

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Seems he planned his attack in advance.

You have no evidence for that, pure speculation.  We don't know how much time took place between Suri's comment and Cooper's response.
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« Reply #459 on: June 20, 2019, 02:09:50 pm »
I assume Cooper and everyone else has laptops and access to the internet.  If they were talking about targeted killings of Muslims by these types of western white terrorists all of that evidence seems pretty relevant.

Why can a committee on 9/11 read from Bin Laden's fatwa's (filled with anti-semetic & anti-Christian hate) but a committee on western anti-Muslim terror can't read from a killer's manifesto?  And not even a part that expressed any hatred?  Such PC fragility BS.  And the progressive MPs even struck relevant facts like the shooter's name from the official government record.  Ridiculous censorship.

You have no evidence for that, pure speculation.  We don't know how much time took place between Suri's comment and Cooper's response.

Huh?
The response occurred during a committee meeting so obviously the time difference was moments.  And yes we all have computers on which we can read stuff. Suri's comments came from what he read as to Alexandre Bissonnette's online history and expressing what it showed. Cooper said he should "be ashamed of himself" for expressing what he read, and then goes on to read from the manifesto. If you don't get the hypocrisy there then I can't help ya.

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« Reply #460 on: June 20, 2019, 05:04:41 pm »
Huh?
The response occurred during a committee meeting so obviously the time difference was moments.

Not obvious at all.  How long did Suri's testimony go on for after the comment before the next person was allowed to speak?  Was Cooper the next person to speak?  Facts are facts, speculation is speculation.
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« Reply #461 on: June 20, 2019, 05:19:29 pm »
Not obvious at all.  How long did Suri's testimony go on for after the comment before the next person was allowed to speak?  Was Cooper the next person to speak?  Facts are facts, speculation is speculation.

Why would you waste time fretting over time between comments when the comments are what are important here? Cooper's comments brought the meeting to a close and and prompted Scheer to remove him from his position. I personally don't think Scheer went far enough, but that's his call.

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« Reply #462 on: June 20, 2019, 06:14:58 pm »
Why would you waste time fretting over time between comments when the comments are what are important here? Cooper's comments brought the meeting to a close and and prompted Scheer to remove him from his position. I personally don't think Scheer went far enough, but that's his call.

I wish there was video footage.  Cooper may have been in the wrong, or others may have overreacted, we really don't know.  Calling for Cooper to be removed from caucus over something we don't know much about seems harsh.  The allegations of Cooper making offensive comments in law school seems much more worthy of expulsion from caucus.  Calling Muslims "goat-herders" is much more offensive than naming & quoting a terrorist.
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« Reply #463 on: June 20, 2019, 06:15:28 pm »
What's Cooper doing at the committee meeting with a mass killer's manifesto?
Seems he planned his attack in advance.
I assume Cooper and everyone else has laptops and access to the internet.
Not obvious at all.  How long did Suri's testimony go on for after the comment before the next person was allowed to speak?  Was Cooper the next person to speak?  Facts are facts, speculation is speculation.

please sir, your premise does not hold up... for whatever point you think it actually makes! Your premise: that the alt-right favouring Michael Cooper simply googlied up the Christchurch terrorist's manifesto as an immediate response to the testimony being given by Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council president Faisal Khan Suri

actually, "it was a strategy - he had the document printed"
https://globalnewsdigitalvideo.corusdigitaldev.com/Shaw_-_News/919/659/TU_LIBMPONCOOPER_040619.mp4

on edit: video comment from Randy Boissonnault, Liberal MP for Edmonton Centre... member of the Justice Committee
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« Reply #464 on: June 20, 2019, 09:51:57 pm »
actually, "it was a strategy - he had the document printed"
https://globalnewsdigitalvideo.corusdigitaldev.com/Shaw_-_News/919/659/TU_LIBMPONCOOPER_040619.mp4

on edit: video comment from Randy Boissonnault, Liberal MP for Edmonton Centre... member of the Justice Committee

MP in the video says the manifesto is hard to find, can take an hour to find.  I found it within seconds on the 2nd link on a search query i clicked on.

The manifesto has been banned in New Zealand, and is obviously censored in Canada too, at least in government.  Yet the equally hateful and violent fatwas of Bin Laden are not.

Who knows why Cooper had it printed.  What was his M.O.?  Wild speculation is not good enough, especially from an MP, & especially from an MP who in the same breath already asserted false information in order to smear Cooper, re: the manifesto availability online.
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