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Offline ?Impact

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #360 on: June 11, 2019, 12:46:22 pm »
ads showed up during the televised Raptors game tonight - from some group named "Engage Canada"

Yes, the CPC have been whining about Engage Canada for some time. They claim that it is led by some former federal NDP aligned people and some McGuinty aligned people. I really don't care, the Conservative have been at the forefront of dirty politics for more than a decade (Ignatieff "Just Visiting", Trudeau "Hair", Trudeau escalator, etc.). Now they cry like little babies that Sheer is on the receiving end. The Conservatives owe Canada 36 million apologies for their dirty tactics before I give a shyte about them.

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« Reply #361 on: June 12, 2019, 07:06:43 am »
Yes, the CPC have been whining about Engage Canada for some time. They claim that it is led by some former federal NDP aligned people and some McGuinty aligned people. I really don't care, the Conservative have been at the forefront of dirty politics for more than a decade (Ignatieff "Just Visiting", Trudeau "Hair", Trudeau escalator, etc.). Now they cry like little babies that Sheer is on the receiving end. The Conservatives owe Canada 36 million apologies for their dirty tactics before I give a shyte about them.

the CPC & support groups had the better part of a 2 month free-reign in running those SNC-Lavalin themed attack ads... now they're quite miffed about these latest ads from 'Engage Canada' - hypocrites! Notwithstanding their own like supporters efforts from Scheer's lil' Rebel Hamish's own One Persuades group, the Ontario/Canada Proud groups, etc.. Absolutely, your 'cry like little babies' is spot on!

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« Reply #362 on: June 17, 2019, 12:29:36 am »
good on ya DOFO!
https://globalnewsdigitalvideo.corusdigitaldev.com/Shaw_-_News/900/1007/SAT_GTOR_DOUG_FORD_PRIDE_150619_1.mp4

and why not you Andy? After weakSauce formally announced he would not be attending any Pride Parades, the party-line came forward:
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Canada’s Conservatives have a proud history of fighting for the rights and protection of all Canadians, including those in the LGBTQ community, at home and abroad. There are many ways to support these communities, and it is vital that the rights all Canadians are protected regardless of race, gender or sexual preference

"many ways"... that don't include a symbolic presence in a community pride event/parade. "Sunny Many Ways"!  ;D

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« Reply #363 on: June 17, 2019, 08:51:04 am »
Yes, the CPC have been whining about Engage Canada for some time. They claim that it is led by some former federal NDP aligned people and some McGuinty aligned people. I really don't care, the Conservative have been at the forefront of dirty politics for more than a decade (Ignatieff "Just Visiting", Trudeau "Hair", Trudeau escalator, etc.). Now they cry like little babies that Sheer is on the receiving end. The Conservatives owe Canada 36 million apologies for their dirty tactics before I give a shyte about them.

Yeah, Liberals are way above those tactics.  ::)
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #364 on: June 17, 2019, 09:44:47 am »
Libs & Cons both play dirty politics.
Perhaps because they both govern the same on behalf of the same corporate powers, so there isn't any real difference in policies or outcomes between them ... it's  just about the mudslinging contest.

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« Reply #365 on: June 17, 2019, 10:32:45 am »
Watch JT use Abortion rights as a wedge issue, this coming election, even when Sheer has never even proposed re-addressing the issue.

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« Reply #366 on: June 17, 2019, 11:07:22 am »
Watch JT use Abortion rights as a wedge issue, this coming election, even when Sheer has never even proposed re-addressing the issue.

how 'wedgie' is Scheer framing anti-abortion messaging as free-speech? ... cause why would that kind of anti-abortion messaging from anti-abortion groups present any kind of threat to a woman's reproductive rights in Canada, hey!

on edit: please refrain from diddling with my choice of the word, "rights"

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #367 on: June 17, 2019, 11:16:01 am »
Watch JT use Abortion rights as a wedge issue, this coming election, even when Sheer has never even proposed re-addressing the issue.

Goose and Gander both proper gander.

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« Reply #368 on: June 17, 2019, 12:42:58 pm »
how 'wedgie' is Scheer framing anti-abortion messaging as free-speech? ... cause why would that kind of anti-abortion messaging from anti-abortion groups present any kind of threat to a woman's reproductive rights in Canada, hey!

on edit: please refrain from diddling with my choice of the word, "rights"

There's a difference between playing from the JT playbook that all people in his government must agree with him and allowing members have their own view but recognizing that there's no shot at the issue being re-opened.


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #369 on: June 17, 2019, 12:44:51 pm »
There's a difference between playing from the JT playbook that all people in his government must agree with him

You mean agreeing with the stated policy defined at an open convention that defines the party you claim to represent?

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« Reply #370 on: June 17, 2019, 12:54:10 pm »
You mean agreeing with the stated policy defined at an open convention that defines the party you claim to represent?

Sure. You can be a member a party and not agree with parts of their platform.

Just know that the policy won't change.

Too be clear, JT using the abortion issue as a wedge is fear-mongering.

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« Reply #371 on: June 17, 2019, 01:02:22 pm »
JT using the abortion issue as a wedge is fear-mongering.

No, JT is not using the abortion issue at all. The Liberal party policy is a woman has the right to choose which is in accordance with Section 7 of the Charter that has long been upheld.

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« Reply #372 on: June 17, 2019, 01:03:49 pm »
Perhaps they should reopen the debate and then pass a law which supports the current policy equally across the country.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #373 on: June 17, 2019, 01:35:04 pm »
how 'wedgie' is Scheer framing anti-abortion messaging as free-speech? ... cause why would that kind of anti-abortion messaging from anti-abortion groups present any kind of threat to a woman's reproductive rights in Canada, hey!

on edit: please refrain from diddling with my choice of the word, "rights"

Trudeau is an authoritarian jerk on the issue, sorry.  He believes his virtue is more important than the Charter.  A woman's ability to have an abortion does not negate any Canadian's rights, as explicitly laid out in the Charter, to: freedom of conscience and religion, freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression.

Abortion is not mentioned in the Charter, there is no "right to abortion" in Canada.  There are simply no laws at all either way on abortion:

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There is nothing in the wording of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to indicate a constitutional right to abortion. And although claims are often made that the Supreme Court of Canada recognized a constitutional right to abortion in its 1988 Morgentaler decision,1 that is an incorrect understanding of what the Court decided.

As Osgoode Hall Law Professor Shelley A.M. Gavigan wrote in an essay published shortly after the 1988 decision, “The Supreme Court’s decision, profound as it was, did not create a right to abortion for Canadian women, nor did it offer any resolution of the abortion issue.”

None of the seven judges held that there was a constitutional right to abortion on demand. All of the judges acknowledged the state has a legitimate interest in protecting the unborn. Even Madam Justice Wilson, who rendered the most liberal opinion in favour of a woman’s rights, advocated an approach to abortion that would balance those rights with the state’s interest in protecting the unborn.

http://www.morgentalerdecision.ca/charter-right-to-abortion/
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #374 on: June 17, 2019, 01:40:50 pm »
Trudeau is an authoritarian jerk on the issue, sorry.  He believes his virtue is more important than the Charter.  A woman's ability to have an abortion does not negate any Canadian's rights, as explicitly laid out in the Charter, to: freedom of conscience and religion, freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression.

How does a woman's right to choose affect your charter freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, or expression. You are free to do as you want, nobody is stopping you. Stop trampling on women's rights.