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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #330 on: June 02, 2019, 11:25:45 am »
Scheer won't kick him out of caucus, of course.

And Cooper has basically said 'alt right' IS conservative.  Scheer doesn't need these crackpots.

Once again it comes down to people refusing to call out extremists in their midst.  Is there an equivalent on the left today ?  I feel there must be but I can't recall it.

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« Reply #331 on: June 02, 2019, 11:29:33 am »
I think it's MP Cooper who has diminished his own credibility, and apparently Scheer agrees.

it's a part of the attempt to rebrand Scheer before the election! To get an appreciation of how this symbolic action by Scheer is not going over well with "the base", peel on through the comments Scheer's tweet announcement of it received - wow, just wow!

I say symbolic as there will be but a few short weeks left in the Parliamentary session before adjournment - the real testament of a rebrandedScheer would have been Cooper's removal from the CPC caucus. Of course most Canadians were first introduced to the weasel Cooper (aka 'crypt-keeper') during his many over-the-top actions during the Judicial Committee review of, les affaire SNC-Lavalin!

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« Reply #332 on: June 02, 2019, 11:53:22 am »
it's a part of the attempt to rebrand Scheer before the election! To get an appreciation of how this symbolic action by Scheer is not going over well with "the base", peel on through the comments Scheer's tweet announcement of it received - wow, just wow!

I say symbolic as there will be but a few short weeks left in the Parliamentary session before adjournment - the real testament of a rebrandedScheer would have been Cooper's removal from the CPC caucus. Of course most Canadians were first introduced to the weasel Cooper (aka 'crypt-keeper') during his many over-the-top actions during the Judicial Committee review of, les affaire SNC-Lavalin!


Interesting Tweet response to Scheer from "Gina Ross":
The whole incident begs the question, why did Cooper have the Manifesto with him in the 1st place? And how is it he had the name of the mass murderer at the ready. Clearly went into the meeting with intent, before the Justice Committee witness opened his mouth.
Ie, MP  Cooper went into the meeting prepared to attack the Muslim speaker by quoting from a mass murderer of Muslims.
Disgusting.

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« Reply #333 on: June 02, 2019, 12:21:42 pm »
I suspect Scheer has attitudes similar to Coopers' on the issue  (after all we know of his allegiance with the likes of Faith Goldy) however Cooper stepped over the line to the point of potential PR damage so Scheer felt he needed to make a symbolic gesture of distancing himself, especially with an election looming.

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« Reply #334 on: June 02, 2019, 02:18:41 pm »
Scheer is such a loser. 

Rando Conservative Dude: "How DARE YOU MALIGN THE ALT-RIGHT ?!?  The SHOOTER was a NATIONALIST SOCIALIST.  HERE, LET ME READ FROM HIS MANIFESTO."

Scheer: "UNACCEPTABLE.  Um... off that committee but everything else is ok."


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« Reply #335 on: June 02, 2019, 02:19:28 pm »
I suspect Scheer has attitudes similar to Coopers' on the issue  (after all we know of his allegiance with the likes of Faith Goldy) however Cooper stepped over the line to the point of potential PR damage so Scheer felt he needed to make a symbolic gesture of distancing himself, especially with an election looming.

However he may feel himself, Scheer is certainly not taking an anti-immigration stance for election campaigning:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-andrew-scheer-justin-trudeau-and-the-immigration-consensus-nobody/

But at a time when conservative parties across the world are increasingly pandering to nativist impulses, it was positive and necessary and a little bit wonderful to hear the leader of Canada’s Conservative Party embrace Canada’s fact as a nation of immigrants.
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« Reply #336 on: June 02, 2019, 02:44:20 pm »
However he may feel himself, Scheer is certainly not taking an anti-immigration stance for election campaigning:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-andrew-scheer-justin-trudeau-and-the-immigration-consensus-nobody/

But at a time when conservative parties across the world are increasingly pandering to nativist impulses, it was positive and necessary and a little bit wonderful to hear the leader of Canada’s Conservative Party embrace Canada’s fact as a nation of immigrants.

I somehow worry that, if elected, the REAL Scheer would emerge. Not only on immigration but abortion as well.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #337 on: June 02, 2019, 02:53:49 pm »
I somehow worry that, if elected, the REAL Scheer would emerge. Not only on immigration but abortion as well.
If Scheer was elected PM, I expect he'd try to stay PM. He's been bitten by both of those issues already, so I don't have too much concern that he'll wade into them again.

My concern about Scheer is his support for fossil fuels, climate change denial, and thus failing to make any of the changes necessary to mitigate and adapt to climate change.

His "infrastructure corridor" idea can never be implemented, but it'll sell well to Alberta oil workers, bosses and owners.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #338 on: June 03, 2019, 09:31:47 am »
Once again it comes down to people refusing to call out extremists in their midst.  Is there an equivalent on the left today ?  I feel there must be but I can't recall it.

Gender Culture thread calling.  The current "genocide" rhetoric regarding indigenous people might be another example.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #339 on: June 07, 2019, 07:40:11 pm »
Gender Culture thread calling.  The current "genocide" rhetoric regarding indigenous people might be another example.

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I don't know - I feel like the gender stuff is called out..  Isn't it *easier* to call out someone for using the '14 words' ?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #340 on: June 08, 2019, 09:28:34 am »
Not too long ago  Jason Kenney’s United Conservative Party  as you know  won a majority government in Alberta.  The campaign strategy the NDP used is the same one Trudeau is now using and that is  trying to accuse Scheer of being a white supremacist  like the NDP and Notley tried to do with Kenney. I would also remind you that the late (as in politician) Kathleen Wynne beloved Liberal and soul mate of Justin  tried the exact same tactic with Doug (Chubby)Ford, accusing him of being a radical right-winger. How'd they d o?

The point is, trying to go after Scheer and call him a racist or a white supremacist or any other such personal attack probably isn't going to detract from the current Liberal's  failures, i.e., huge deficits, oil pipeline fiasco,  SNC-Lavalin scandal, etc.

Can we get serious? Scheer is a white supremacist because he gave an interview to Faith Goldy? Scheer is a racist because he  spoke to the yellow vest convoy that drove across the country in support of Alberta’s oil and gas industry? Scheer is a racist because he questions the current Immigration policies?

Calling him  a racist or white supremacist is a tactic designed to stop debate cold. Its designed to avoid debate  of the current failed Liberal policies. Might work here where most of you on this thread agree with one another but in the real world its probably not going to fly.

Interesting the Liberals and many of you on this thread call yourself progressive and engage in the same tactics as Donald Trump.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #341 on: June 08, 2019, 10:27:44 am »
Don't ever compare the tactics of a politician to anyone on here.  Except Waldo, sorry.  But most of us no.

I don't think Scheer is a racist but I don't know either.  He does need the racist vote in order to win.  Trudeau may be a failure, but like Trump, he's part of a booming economy so the impact of his 'errors' may not be that great.

Also, is Scheer really going to do anything different ?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #342 on: June 08, 2019, 11:10:47 am »
Don't ever compare the tactics of a politician to anyone on here.  Except Waldo, sorry.

why the drive-by? If you have something to say, step-up... and say it... or ****-off!

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« Reply #343 on: June 08, 2019, 11:20:23 am »
The point is, trying to go after Scheer and call him a racist or a white supremacist or any other such personal attack probably isn't going to detract from the current Liberal's  failures, i.e., huge deficits, oil pipeline fiasco,  SNC-Lavalin scandal, etc.



the "oil pipeline fiasco"... you mean the NO Harper oil pipeline, or the NEB regulation framework Harper left? Surely not the Liberals in favour of KXL, surely not the Liberals who purchased TMX to 'save it', surely not

the "SNC-Lavalin scandal" is your perpetual wet-dream... a nothingBurger fueled by a compliant ConMedia!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #344 on: June 08, 2019, 11:31:51 am »
Can we get serious? Scheer is a white supremacist because he gave an interview to Faith Goldy? Scheer is a racist because he  spoke to the yellow vest convoy that drove across the country in support of Alberta’s oil and gas industry? Scheer is a racist because he questions the current Immigration policies?

from an assortment of examples: why did your boy, weakSauce, need to be prodded into finally saying the word Muslim? Why did your boy so stupidly claim not to have heard the town-hall questioner's reference to the alt-right fueled "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory? And most recently why did weakAndy so profusely proclaim bigots were not welcome in the CPC... only to subsequently give Cooper a pass... to allow him to stay within the CPC caucus - Cooper, the guy who came to the Justice Committee with the infamous manifesto at-the-ready, and actually read portions of it into the record?

nice try with the strawman "Scheer is a white supremacist"!  ;D