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Offline TimG

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #315 on: May 26, 2019, 09:24:21 am »
He'll find out by over-promising, by ignoring the realities of politics and the justice system and by listening to lobbyists.
And that is different from Trudeau how exactly? A lobbiest is a lobbiest even if you happen to agree with some but not others.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #316 on: May 26, 2019, 09:27:23 am »
With Trudeau's popularity in the toilet, and Scheer's one-province (and screw the rest of you we're coming through!) agenda ... I think this will be a very interesting, possibly even exciting election.
One province? You mean like the Liberal obsession with Quebec jobs? Or the Green plan to deliberately destroy the economy of 3 provinces in order to please wealthy urbanites?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #317 on: May 26, 2019, 10:05:14 am »
And that is different from Trudeau how exactly? A lobbiest is a lobbiest even if you happen to agree with some but not others.

Well, I didn't say Trudeau was better but good point anyway. 
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #318 on: May 26, 2019, 10:14:08 am »
I don't think Ontario is interested in Alberta's agenda anymore, certainly not in fast and deep budget cuts to balance the budget and I doubt many are interested in his "Preapproved pipeline corridor" either.

With Trudeau's popularity in the toilet, and Scheer's one-province (and screw the rest of you we're coming through!) agenda ... I think this will be a very interesting, possibly even exciting election.

Money Alberta makes via oil is good for the entire country. The TSX goes up, the dollar goes up, tax revenues go up.

But you're right, reality says a cross-Canada pipeline is an unrealistic dream right now if Alberta can't even get their pipeline to the BC coast.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #319 on: May 26, 2019, 06:58:33 pm »
Well, I didn't say Trudeau was better but good point anyway.

No, and I didn't either. Lol

It's time to blow this two-horse race wide open.
Politics on steroids is not good governance.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #320 on: May 30, 2019, 06:29:09 pm »
oh my Andy! Quite telling hey!

in recent days within the HOC, Bloc Quebecois MP Monique Pauzé put forward a motion related to abortion; this motion:

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That the House of Commons reiterate that a woman’s body belongs to her and her alone, and recognize her right to choose an abortion regardless of the reason

Liberal, NDP, Green Party, Bloc Quebecois and Independent members rose to applaud the motion... while Conservative members sat rigid in their seats! Oh my weakSauce Andy, ya think there will be an election ad that includes this reaction to the motion?
https://globalnewsdigitalvideo.corusdigitaldev.com/Shaw_-_News/459/850/WE_ABORTION%20STANDING%20O_MAY%2028.mp4

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« Reply #321 on: May 31, 2019, 11:49:02 am »
oh my Andy! Quite telling hey!

in recent days within the HOC, Bloc Quebecois MP Monique Pauzé put forward a motion related to abortion; this motion:

Liberal, NDP, Green Party, Bloc Quebecois and Independent members rose to applaud the motion... while Conservative members sat rigid in their seats! Oh my weakSauce Andy, ya think there will be an election ad that includes this reaction to the motion?
https://globalnewsdigitalvideo.corusdigitaldev.com/Shaw_-_News/459/850/WE_ABORTION%20STANDING%20O_MAY%2028.mp4

Is that a bunch of Conservative men trying to shout down a woman for saying that women have a right to control their own bodies?
Did the Conservative women join in?



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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #322 on: May 31, 2019, 12:13:25 pm »
Is that a bunch of Conservative men trying to shout down a woman for saying that women have a right to control their own bodies?
Did the Conservative women join in?


That's certainly what it looks/sounds like. Scheer has said publicly that HE won't open the issue for debate but one would have to be naive to not expect his MP's to do so if they should come to rule the roost.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #323 on: May 31, 2019, 12:56:43 pm »
One province? You mean like the Liberal obsession with Quebec jobs?
I'm certainly not going to defend Trudeau's corruption via his corporate connections and dependencies.
Nor will I defend Scheer's single-minded focus on  promotion, connections and dependencies on the fossil fuel industry.
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Or the Green plan to deliberately destroy the economy of 3 provinces in order to please wealthy urbanites?
The Greens plan to ...
create “millions” of jobs by retrofitting all buildings ["large facilities"] in Canada so that they’re carbon neutral over the next 11 years.
... applies equally to industry (including oilfields) commerce, public service, farm buildings and facilities, etc. etc. It's a very practical approach, very useful and very broad-based across all sectors.

Do Lib-Cons have  any useful, practical, mature, intelligent, thoughtful ideas?
Or just the same old mudslinging stupidity?

By "wealthy urbanites" ... do you mean Calgarians? The wealthy urbanites there are Greens? Lol 
I don't think trying to dismiss and disparage all "wealthy urbanites" is particularly accurate and it's certainly not helpful.

I once heard that the Green Party arose full blown with the initiative and funding of "rich Albertans with composters" ...?

Pitting provinces against each other is a fool's game, just more of the same old divisive and destructive Lib-Con ping-pong nonsense, like a continuing playground vendetta - steal the flag or something similar - maybe good boy-fun occasionally in its correct place, but it has no place in good governance: This isn't 'battle-of-the-boy-bands'.

Petty, divisive Lib-Con politics that insults Canadians' intelligence and decency, certainly never provides good governance.

Time to kick both of those boys to the curb.
Their behaviour on the job would not be acceptable in a classroom or on a playground.
Good governance should, at a bare minimum, consist of behaviour that sets a good example for children and youth. Enough trash politics.

Elizabeth May has always had class, always speaks respectfully and informatively, and the Greens do have practical economic plans that will be beneficial to all of us.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #324 on: May 31, 2019, 01:47:59 pm »
The Greens plan to ...
create “millions” of jobs by retrofitting all buildings ["large facilities"] in Canada so that they’re carbon neutral over the next 11 years.
... applies equally to industry (including oilfields) commerce, public service, farm buildings and facilities, etc. etc. It's a very practical approach, very useful and very broad-based across all sectors.

Any government can create a ton of jobs by spending a whole bunch of other people's money (tax money and debt money) and forcing Canadians to spend money on some project or another.  That doesn't mean it's at all economically sound or a good way to spend said money. 

For instance, we did that in WWII and created a gazillion jobs and economic stimulus, but it was a massive waste of money and resources.  The Greens could promise to paint every building in Canada purple and that would also create a ton of jobs, that doesn't mean it's a sound idea.

If the Greens have a plan to fight climate change ok cool, but don't lie to voters and claim it's going to be good for our pocketbooks.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #325 on: May 31, 2019, 03:51:30 pm »
Any government can create a ton of jobs by spending a whole bunch of other people's money (tax money and debt money) and forcing Canadians to spend money on some project or another.  That doesn't mean it's at all economically sound or a good way to spend said money. 

For instance, we did that in WWII and created a gazillion jobs and economic stimulus, but it was a massive waste of money and resources.
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The Greens could promise to paint every building in Canada purple and that would also create a ton of jobs, that doesn't mean it's a sound idea.
If the Greens have a plan to fight climate change ok cool, but don't lie to voters and claim it's going to be good for our pocketbooks.
Where did the Greens "lie" about that?
Don't fling accusations without evidence.

Climate change will be very bad for our pocketbooks.
Pay now ... or pay more later.
That's just logic.
https://www.greenparty.ca/en/mission-possible
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/05/16/green-party-unveils-20-point-climate-change-plan.html



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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #326 on: June 01, 2019, 12:22:22 am »

Where did the Greens "lie" about that?
Don't fling accusations without evidence.

The Greens are saying their climate change plan will be good for our economy.  The burden is on them to provide the evidence.

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Climate change will be very bad for our pocketbooks.
Pay now ... or pay more later.

But Canada doesn't have the power to stop or significantly slow down climate change. At best, with monumental and expensive efforts, we could slow it down a very, very small amount.  Retrofitting all of our buildings won't do much if the US is pumping out CO2 orders of magnitude more than us.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #327 on: June 01, 2019, 12:59:52 pm »
The Greens are saying their climate change plan will be good for our economy.  The burden is on them to provide the evidence.

Agreed, but the same thing applies to the Conservatives and Liberals who make the same promises and never once provide proof and never once deliver.
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Offline Granny

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #328 on: June 01, 2019, 04:03:05 pm »
The Greens are saying their climate change plan will be good for our economy.  The burden is on them to provide the evidence.

But Canada doesn't have the power to stop or significantly slow down climate change. At best, with monumental and expensive efforts, we could slow it down a very, very small amount.  Retrofitting all of our buildings won't do much if the US is pumping out CO2 orders of magnitude more than us.

This is you ... and Liberals and Conservatives everywhere.
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Lol
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #329 on: June 02, 2019, 10:44:15 am »
Andrew Scheer just removed MP Cooper (Edmonton) from a Justice Committee study group on online hate (e.g., referencing Andre Bisonnette's mass murder of 6 Muslims in a Quebec mosque).
Because ...
MP Cooper took great offence when a Muslim participant noted apparent Alt-right connections of racist mass shooters.
MP Cooper then read at length from Christchurch NZ shooter's manifesto, claiming he is 'a lefty' (Communist China sympathizer).

Seems MP Cooper has his own agenda and is not particularly focused on the inquiry purposes.

He's removed from that committee, but still an MP.
http://huffp.st/zrhEzwL
Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council president Faisal Khan Suri told HuffPost Canada that while he hasn’t seen Cooper demonstrate any racism, he believes the way the St. Albert—Edmonton MP behaved “seemed that he had a very bigoted and extremist viewpoint.”
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Suri noted that evidence from Bissonette’s computer “showed he repeatedly sought content about anti-immigrant, alt-right and conservative commentators, mass murderers, U.S. President Donald Trump, and about Muslims, immigrants living in Quebec.”
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Cooper became infuriated .... Cooper took “great umbrage” with what he called Suri’s “defamatory comments.”

“To try to link, conservatism with violent and extremists attacks. They have no foundation, they are defamatory and they diminish your credibility as a witness.”


I think it's MP Cooper who has diminished his own credibility, and apparently Scheer agrees.

Note: The election of an MP is a  choice of the people in that riding. I don't personally believe that the national Party or Leader has a right to override the peoples' choice unilaterally, but perhaps via collaboration with the riding executive, etc. (Unlike Trudeau... )

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