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Offline wilber

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« Reply #255 on: May 02, 2019, 02:02:12 pm »
We are the new super hero's, thinking we can save the world by preventing other people from living like us.
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« Reply #256 on: May 02, 2019, 02:19:47 pm »
I bet you are the kind of person who puts an air conditioner inside your living room - self contained inside, with no heat exhaust to the outside.

I have 5 of those in my bathroom.
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« Reply #257 on: May 02, 2019, 02:57:47 pm »
So why wait until then to do something about it, but thanks for helping make my point.

Well I think we are doing something about it, ie: companies researching and developing EV technology and renewable energy etc.  Governments can help fund or give tax breaks etc for r&d and all sorts of incentives, but these are nudges, not enough to make a critical mass of people start seriously changing their behaviour enough to make a significant difference.

Whether Canada has a carbon tax or not won't have much impact on AGW.  The tax would have to be much higher for enough people to start significantly changing their behaviour, and would have to be implemented in enough countries to make a dent.  Carbon taxes that high would screw up economies, which is why it's not being done.  Hence, we're in the effed situation we find now.

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And oh btw, oil companies make prices skyrocket regardless of supply. Politics can do the same which is why the price of gas in YVR is ~$1.71 right now.

Oil companies and OPEC etc set the price of oil/gas to what people are willing to pay.  It would be good for the environment if they set the price of oil/gas high so that people will be more likely to switch to EVs, hybrids etc., but of course they would lose business so would never do that.  Governments can raise the price of gas, it's just going to make things more expensive until technology catches up & degrade our international trade competitiveness.

I'm a pessimist on whether governments can fix this problem (i'm not anti-government for its own sake, they helped phase out CFC's, sometimes they can make a big difference, i just think this is a much different & infinitely more complex problem). I'm an optimist on whether the super smart people in the private sector can fix AGW.

We survived the ozone holes, acid rain, african killer bees, the cold war & mutually assured destruction, H1N1, Ebola, SARS, Y2K, and every other doomsday scenario, almost all thanks to science & tech.  We need to chillax.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #258 on: May 02, 2019, 02:59:40 pm »
We survived the ozone holes, acid rain, african killer bees, the cold war & mutually assured destruction, H1N1, Ebola, SARS, Y2K, and every other doomsday scenario, almost all thanks to science & tech.  We need to chillax.

Yes, because we acted. We don't survive by sticking our head in the sand.
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« Reply #259 on: May 02, 2019, 03:05:27 pm »
Yes, because we acted. We don't survive by sticking our head in the sand.
The only reason anything was done is the problem could be solved by regulating a small number of large chemical manufacturers in developed countries that had already created a commercially viable alternative when the treaty was signed. CO2 emissions come from everywhere and there are no real alternatives for the majority of our energy needs. No amount of huffing and puffing will change that reality.
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« Reply #260 on: May 02, 2019, 04:21:09 pm »
We replaced CFC's with HFC's. HFC's don't harm the ozone layer but are a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 with a very long life span. Now they are trying to find something to replace HFC's which isn't highly flammable. The law of unintended consequences strikes again.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #261 on: May 02, 2019, 09:43:52 pm »
Yes, because we acted. We don't survive by sticking our head in the sand.

We're not sticking our head in the sand.  A gazillion companies spending gazillions in R&D with some of the brightest minds in the world are doing their best to create new technologies that will replace fossil fuels specifically for this problem, along with all sorts of carbon-saving gizmos.  Lots of individuals are also trying to do their part, and governments are doing different things too.

If you and Omni and AOC want to force entire nations to completely transform how it uses energy before people & companies actually want to because it would be very expensive, well that's a well-intentioned but unrealistic pipe-dream (pun intended).
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« Reply #262 on: May 02, 2019, 10:05:36 pm »
We're not sticking our head in the sand.  A gazillion companies spending gazillions in R&D with some of the brightest minds in the world are doing their best to create new technologies that will replace fossil fuels specifically for this problem, along with all sorts of carbon-saving gizmos.  Lots of individuals are also trying to do their part, and governments are doing different things too.

If you and Omni and AOC want to force entire nations to completely transform how it uses energy before people & companies actually want to because it would be very expensive, well that's a well-intentioned but unrealistic pipe-dream (pun intended).

There are many nations, including the US who are making major strides toward developing renewables before they get caught with their pants down.
I don't think they're doing it because I asked them to.
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« Reply #263 on: May 02, 2019, 10:33:24 pm »
There are many nations, including the US who are making major strides toward developing renewables before they get caught with their pants down.
I don't think they're doing it because I asked them to.

Yes, and my point is they'll keep doing it regardless of which POTUS or party in Congress is in power.  Technology got us into this mess & I'm pretty confident it will get us out.  The technology we'll have in a few decades is unfathomable.  Governments can help things along, especially the USA because of its size & wealth & carbon output, but the difference between Scheer & Trudeau's plans on climate will have negligible impact on a global-scale problem.

I think Canada can have a much, much larger impact on how we care for our lakes, rivers, soil etc. because we can control that.  IMO the biggest difference Canada would see in Canada cutting fossil fuels is cleaner air, not necessarily slowing down AGW.
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« Reply #264 on: May 02, 2019, 10:43:01 pm »
Yes, and my point is they'll keep doing it regardless of which POTUS or party in Congress is in power.  Technology got us into this mess & I'm pretty confident it will get us out.  The technology we'll have in a few decades is unfathomable.  Governments can help things along, especially the USA because of its size & wealth & carbon output, but the difference between Scheer & Trudeau's plans on climate will have negligible impact on a global-scale problem.

I think Canada can have a much, much larger impact on how we care for our lakes, rivers, soil etc. because we can control that.  IMO the biggest difference Canada would see in Canada cutting fossil fuels is cleaner air, not necessarily slowing down AGW.

 The US for one is doing it regardless of the current POTUS who thinks it would be a good idea to reopen the coal mines. Luckily there are people who actually passed science class in charge of things.
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« Reply #265 on: May 03, 2019, 12:14:59 am »
ya ya, tell that to Jason Kenney and his 'turn-off-the taps' (constitutional crisis in the making) approach!  ;D That this ass-wipe resorts to claiming, "there is a growing crisis of national unity in Alberta", is yet another Conservative government ploy to stoke fear and purposeful division. And where's the MIA weakSauce Scheer in calling out these types of Kenney antics. C'mon Andy, don't wait for your lil' buddy Hamish to give you the research/focus group talking points - be a leader weakSauce, be a leader!

as I'm aware, this tweet from today is the only public comment Scheer has made toward/about Alberta Premier Kenney since mid-April when he endorsed and campaigned in Alberta for Kenney. A comment coming right in the throes of Kenney's foray into divisive separatist stokin' rhetoric, this is quite the show of weakSauce "leadership"! Bold Andy, so bold!
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« Reply #266 on: May 03, 2019, 10:36:10 am »
as I'm aware, this tweet from today is the only public comment Scheer has made toward/about Alberta Premier Kenney since mid-April when he endorsed and campaigned in Alberta for Kenney. A comment coming right in the throes of Kenney's foray into divisive separatist stokin' rhetoric, this is quite the show of weakSauce "leadership"! Bold Andy, so bold!

you sayin' you want a piece of me?  ;D


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #267 on: May 04, 2019, 03:29:50 am »


c'mon Andy! Given this, your 'all-in' pronouncement to fight with Jason Kenney, you can't keep quiet on the days old carbon tax court ruling by the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal - be a leader weakSauce, be a leader!

you know weakSauce Andy, that federal carbon tax on fuel that was only applied to Saskatchewan, Ontario, New Brunswick and Manitoba on April 1; only applied as those province’s climate plans did not meet the federal backstop, $20 per tonne of CO2, growing to $50 per tonne in 2022. That federal carbon tax that the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal ruled the federal government does have the constitutional power to implement in provinces that don’t meet Ottawa’s minimum price.

so, of course, even though Alberta isn't in that mix of the 4 provinces (Saskatchewan, Ontario, New Brunswick and Manitoba) that had the federal carbon tax implemented, Premier Jason Kenney felt the need to extend upon his 1st week of "rabble-rousing" to interject the Province of Alberta into a Supreme Court challenge of that Saskatchewan court ruling - of course he did!

but c'mon Scheer - surely given your posturing as the national leader Canada so desperately needs, you must have an opinion/comment on the court ruling - yes Andy? Why so quiet Scheer, why so quiet?

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« Reply #268 on: May 04, 2019, 06:34:39 pm »
Scheer's nailing down the big-ticket items in the CPC election platform!  ;D ... a plan to save the average Canadian homeowner ~$9/month by removing GST from home-heating costs. Bold move weakSauce, bold move! Not quite up to the profile of Buck-a-Beer, but still...



wait, what? You have time for such a "bold move", yet needed to push out delivery of your much touted "climate change plan" yet another 2 months?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #269 on: May 04, 2019, 07:03:27 pm »
Waldo are you interested in discussing Scheer in any constructive way or are you just interested in smearing the man you obviously can't stand until October?
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