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Offline Omni

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« Reply #240 on: May 01, 2019, 09:53:09 pm »
Not anymore, Horgan has put the carbon tax into the general revenue pot. He has to get the rest of the province to pay for removing those bridge tolls somehow, not to mention getting rid of MSP premiums. Oops, I just did.

The same will happen to the federal carbon tax, that revenue will be just to tempting not to raid, particularly if a government is running deficits.

My idea would be to go ahead and build the pipeline but to steer the royalties not into gen. rev. but into weaning us off of pipelines. Gonna happen sooner or later, not even Trump is stupid enough not to understand that.

Ah well wait one on that. 

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #241 on: May 01, 2019, 10:48:34 pm »
EV's are here and we are already buying them. and maybe you should go back to sleep and visit your purple elephants.

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« Reply #242 on: May 01, 2019, 11:00:42 pm »
EV's are here and we are already buying them. and maybe you should go back to sleep and visit your purple elephants.

They are but the closest thing to what I drive in an EV costs nearly 40K more.
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« Reply #243 on: May 01, 2019, 11:46:06 pm »
They are but the closest thing to what I drive in an EV costs nearly 40K more.

Not sure what you drive or what planet you live on but a Chevy Volt doesn't cost 40k more. It costs about 40k brand new.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #244 on: May 01, 2019, 11:47:29 pm »
Gary says hi.

Hi. Now back to sleep you go.

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« Reply #245 on: May 02, 2019, 12:29:28 am »
further to your as yet undefined (by you) term, 'bribe': just days old now, the PBO's report states that, "only the richest 20% of Canadians will pay more carbon tax than they will get in rebates"... you know, cause that 20% pollutes more given lifestyle choices, disposable income, etc..

are you lobbying for your boy Scheer to drop carbon pricing in favour of those richest 20% of Canadians... to put an end to all those dastardly bribes? Is that what you're suggesting Boges?

I'm not sure how you budget, but getting a $150 gift from JT doesn't change the fact that your gas prices are going up. People will probably spend that money one thing, or save it.

It's a bribe. Hey look over here, we're giving you the money we're taking away back! Then what's the point? No one is actually going to stop driving where they need to go because of this. And if they did the economy would suffer for it.

I'm not saying we need don't need to ween ourselves off carbon.

Boges, you're not saying? Just what are you saying then? As just one of the 'tools in tool chest', carbon pricing sets a price on pollution. The initial setting presumes not all tools are in place and/or meeting their full intent/goals. You emphasized affordability and yet you belittle rebates (and the program proper) by throwing around your "bribe" labeling. Rebates are a management aspect to help (some people more than others) with that affordability aspect you highlighted.

as an aside, you may want to reacquaint yourself, while giving a heads-up to weakSauce Scheer, with just how carbon pricing came about. Not in a Liberal government vacumn as CPC supporters like to project upon; rather, as a part of the broad Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change developed by Federal, Provincial, Territorial government representatives and Indigenous representatives... that itself stemmed from a First Ministers conference and an accompanying Vancouver Declaration - a part of which speaks directly to carbon pricing; specifically:
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- Transition to  a low carbon economy by adopting a broad range of domestic measures, including carbon pricing  mechanisms, adapted to each province's and territory's  specific circumstances, in particular the realities of Canada's Indigenous  peoples and Arctic and sub-Arctic regions. The transition also requires that  Canada engage internationally;
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but again Boges, why the additional 2-month delay from Scheer in releasing the much touted/anticipated 'climate change plan'... why the apparent need to "re-tool" the Scheer/CPC Climate Change Plan? And will it contain carbon pricing Boges... with, as you say, associated "bribes"?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #246 on: May 02, 2019, 05:48:26 am »
why the additional 2-month delay from Scheer in releasing the much touted/anticipated 'climate change plan'... why the apparent need to "re-tool" the Scheer/CPC Climate Change Plan? And will it contain carbon pricing Boges... with, as you say, associated "bribes"?

It's not easy to devise a strategy that will reel in the nutty 'Climate Change doesn't exist because it's snowing' types while still have some kind of Climate Change plan in place.  I'm hoping it's impossible. 

It's fascinating that the troll bots are now disparaging Bernier, the very candidate who should be natural for the Muslim-hating, Climate-hating demographic.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #247 on: May 02, 2019, 09:01:21 am »
Not sure what you drive or what planet you live on but a Chevy Volt doesn't cost 40k more. It costs about 40k brand new.

I’m talking about an electric equivalent to what I drive. Neither the Volt or the Bolt is the equivalent of an Audi Q5 which about the size of a Honda CRV. Besides, GM has discontinued the Volt. Nor do they get 700 km on a charge or can be recharged just about anywhere in ten minutes.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #248 on: May 02, 2019, 09:27:52 am »
My idea would be to go ahead and build the pipeline but to steer the royalties not into gen. rev. but into weaning us off of pipelines. Gonna happen sooner or later, not even Trump is stupid enough not to understand that.

Ah well wait one on that.

Using that logic they should be doing the same with the Carbon tax.

Better still then a tax why not tax deductions. Nothing gets dinosaur companies to innovate to newer methods faster than tax incentives not penalties as history has shown.

That said tax incentives have to be used fairly for all businesses and not just friends of the government in power.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #249 on: May 02, 2019, 11:33:09 am »
My idea would be to go ahead and build the pipeline but to steer the royalties not into gen. rev. but into weaning us off of pipelines. Gonna happen sooner or later, not even Trump is stupid enough not to understand that.

Weaning the global markets off pipelines/oil is beyond Canada's control.
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« Reply #250 on: May 02, 2019, 11:42:40 am »
Weaning the global markets off pipelines/oil is beyond Canada's control.

ya ya, tell that to Jason Kenney and his 'turn-off-the taps' (constitutional crisis in the making) approach!  ;D That this ass-wipe resorts to claiming, "there is a growing crisis of national unity in Alberta", is yet another Conservative government ploy to stoke fear and purposeful division. And where's the MIA weakSauce Scheer in calling out these types of Kenney antics. C'mon Andy, don't wait for your lil' buddy Hamish to give you the research/focus group talking points - be a leader weakSauce, be a leader!

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« Reply #251 on: May 02, 2019, 11:50:14 am »
Weaning the global markets off pipelines/oil is beyond Canada's control.

My point being, as I have made numerous times, is there is a last barrel of oil. Will we be stupid enough to wait for that one to be hit before we look around for other sources of energy, or will we be a little more intelligent and do it sooner.

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« Reply #252 on: May 02, 2019, 12:34:34 pm »
My point being, as I have made numerous times, is there is a last barrel of oil. Will we be stupid enough to wait for that one to be hit before we look around for other sources of energy, or will we be a little more intelligent and do it sooner.

Supply and demand means that if supply of oil becomes scarce the price would skyrocket, & then we'd have no choice but to look to other sources of energy.  We don't need government to do what the market is already really good at doing. 
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #253 on: May 02, 2019, 12:48:07 pm »
Supply and demand means that if supply of oil becomes scarce the price would skyrocket, & then we'd have no choice but to look to other sources of energy.  We don't need government to do what the market is already really good at doing.

So why wait until then to do something about it, but thanks for helping make my point. And oh btw, oil companies make prices skyrocket regardless of supply. Politics can do the same which is why the price of gas in YVR is ~$1.71 right now.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #254 on: May 02, 2019, 01:51:10 pm »
What makes me sleep at night is knowing that in 100 years humans will have the technology to create glaciers, re-freeze the arctic, repair/recreate the barrier reef, and restock the oceans with purple elephants with gills if we want.

I bet you are the kind of person who puts an air conditioner inside your living room - self contained inside, with no heat exhaust to the outside.