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Offline waldo

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #210 on: April 29, 2019, 01:57:58 pm »
Is affordability not a real issue in regards to Carbon Pricing? It should be. The $150-$200 bribe the Liberals are giving people doesn't change that it raises the price of everything.

your definition of "bribe" is what? In any case, good on ya - weakSauce Scheer is deathly afraid to mention rebates... good on ya Boges - good on ya!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #211 on: April 29, 2019, 03:19:46 pm »
He did apologize to the widow of Chris Speer: “I’m really, really sorry for the pain I caused you and your family

Remember, Khadar was a 15 year old found in the rubble of an Afghan compound that had been bombarded by the Americans for hours. We do have a confession from him that goes beyond, but remember it was signed after years of torture and duress in Gitmo.

What specifically are you demanding of him?

I just read this and theair is fair he did mention the words you said which I must acknowledge and applaud. He has never renounced terrorism or admitted what he did was wrong when asked many times. The one statement as to the pain you point out is also interesting because when asked whether he would give any of his ten million to the family he caused pain to he smirked and walked away in a huff lending to the appearance he was repeating a script and was insincere. I trust that altitude my point. You were entitled to a response. Sorry I was not ignoring your relevant comment.
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« Reply #212 on: April 29, 2019, 03:35:31 pm »
I just read this and theair is fair he did mention the words you said which I must acknowledge and applaud. He has never renounced terrorism or admitted what he did was wrong when asked many times. The one statement as to the pain you point out is also interesting because when asked whether he would give any of his ten million to the family he caused pain to he smirked and walked away in a huff lending to the appearance he was repeating a script and was insincere. I trust that altitude my point. You were entitled to a response. Sorry I was not ignoring your relevant comment.

I see you choose to ignore the evidence (photograph as well as testimony from a US soldier, Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, who claims Khadr did not, could not have thrown the grenade as he was buried under rubble.)
Of course he pleaded because it was the only way to get himself out of an illegal US prison in a foreign country where he was held for 8 years without any due process. Now you want him to share the restitution he was awarded. Give it up buddy!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #213 on: April 30, 2019, 12:07:30 am »
your definition of "bribe" is what? In any case, good on ya - weakSauce Scheer is deathly afraid to mention rebates... good on ya Boges - good on ya!

hey now Boges! Nothing like massive flooding to cause Scheer to push-out the long-awaited CPC climate change plan - yes? All those month-over-month statements that kept teasing a delivery of "the plan" by this past weekend... instead weakSauce announces their plan will now be revealed prior to the end of this just opened parliamentary session... now "by June 21" - the last day of this session! Apparently, an extreme environmental impacting event has necessitated the need for the CPC to "tweak" the plan - go figure. In any case, who should be surprised Scheer will do a 'dump & run' of the plan, hey Boges?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #214 on: April 30, 2019, 05:19:22 am »
hey now Boges! Nothing like massive flooding to cause Scheer to push-out the long-awaited CPC climate change plan - yes?

Sure... but can we at least stay principled and stick to the 'weather is not climate' rule when discussing events ?

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« Reply #215 on: April 30, 2019, 08:33:13 am »
That Weather not Climate trope convenient because whenever the weather is bad it's always climate change.

But whenever the weather is predictable and/or typical it's WEATHER NOT CLIMATE!!!

Flooding doesn't normally happen in the spring? April has only been a wet month since we started burning carbon?

I'm not saying we need don't need to ween ourselves off carbon. But using instances of bad weather as justifications for useless yet punitive taxes is not the answer.

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« Reply #216 on: April 30, 2019, 09:32:30 am »
Sure... but can we at least stay principled and stick to the 'weather is not climate' rule when discussing events ?
But whenever the weather is predictable and/or typical it's WEATHER NOT CLIMATE!!!

are you directing your statements to weakSauce Scheer - questioning why he/CPC pushed the reveal of their long-awaited climate change plan out another couple of months? This past weekend's 1-year anniversary of the CPC signing on to the initial Paris Agreement was long touted as the "big reveal" date... supposedly to be timed to a Quebec conference of CPC supporters. And then... such a let down when weakSauce announced the delay.

c'mon Andy, ignore all those sciency types and media enablers talking up the influence of climate change (and land use) on the increased severity and likelihood of flooding. Don't play to the optics Andy! Damnit, show Canadians the grand reveal where you promise to reduce emissions without relying upon that wascally carbon tax thingee! Be bold weakSauce, be bold!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #217 on: April 30, 2019, 02:13:49 pm »
Flooding doesn't normally happen in the spring? April has only been a wet month since we started burning carbon?

I have to agree there. There are other weather trends we can more closely link to climate change, but spring flooding seems to be a very weak one. Perhaps there are year over year total rainfall differences that may help account for something, but the flooding by itself does not seem to stand up. The biggest contributor to spring flooding is heavy snow pack (not just snowfall, but cold winter to keep it building up), and relative quick warming in early spring.

The areas north of Montreal that have flooded in 2017 and this year are not unheard of before. When I was young (60's, 70's), we used to head up north to camp and many years that I passed through these areas they were flooded. The borough of Montreal I am in used to flood 100 years ago, and then they build a dyke and stopped it. There was a big flood in '54, that I wasn't around for but have talked to others who were. The dyke was extended after that, and there has not been flooding here since.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #218 on: May 01, 2019, 12:31:55 pm »
Is affordability not a real issue in regards to Carbon Pricing? It should be. The $150-$200 bribe the Liberals are giving people doesn't change that it raises the price of everything.

further to your as yet undefined (by you) term, 'bribe': just days old now, the PBO's report states that, "only the richest 20% of Canadians will pay more carbon tax than they will get in rebates"... you know, cause that 20% pollutes more given lifestyle choices, disposable income, etc..

are you lobbying for your boy Scheer to drop carbon pricing in favour of those richest 20% of Canadians... to put an end to all those dastardly bribes? Is that what you're suggesting Boges?

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« Reply #219 on: May 01, 2019, 01:17:56 pm »
further to your as yet undefined (by you) term, 'bribe': just days old now, the PBO's report states that, "only the richest 20% of Canadians will pay more carbon tax than they will get in rebates"... you know, cause that 20% pollutes more given lifestyle choices, disposable income, etc..

are you lobbying for your boy Scheer to drop carbon pricing in favour of those richest 20% of Canadians... to put an end to all those dastardly bribes? Is that what you're suggesting Boges?

I'm not sure how you budget, but getting a $150 gift from JT doesn't change the fact that your gas prices are going up. People will probably spend that money one thing, or save it.

It's a bribe. Hey look over here, we're giving you the money we're taking away back! Then what's the point? No one is actually going to stop driving where they need to go because of this. And if they did the economy would suffer for it.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #220 on: May 01, 2019, 01:24:52 pm »
I'm not sure how you budget, but getting a $150 gift from JT doesn't change the fact that your gas prices are going up. People will probably spend that money one thing, or save it.

It's a bribe. Hey look over here, we're giving you the money we're taking away back! Then what's the point? No one is actually going to stop driving where they need to go because of this. And if they did the economy would suffer for it.

The point is that people will reduce the time they spend on the road when they don't have to. Yes you may need to drive to work but pick up the groceries on the way home instead of going home first and then back to the store. And by doing so most people will find the tax to be neutral or they may actually benefit.

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« Reply #221 on: May 01, 2019, 01:28:43 pm »
The point is that people will reduce the time they spend on the road when they don't have to. Yes you may need to drive to work but pick up the groceries on the way home instead of going home first and then back to the store. And by doing so most people will find the tax to be neutral or they may actually benefit.

That's negligible gas usage.

It's assumed people use gasoline for reckless purposes. But the truth is, people use it to go to work and perhaps some recreational activities on their off time, which contribute to the economy.

These examples of people driving when they can walk are strawmen.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #222 on: May 01, 2019, 01:31:21 pm »
That's negligible gas usage.

It's assumed people use gasoline for reckless purposes. But the truth is, people use it to go to work and perhaps some recreational activities on their off time, which contribute to the economy.

These examples of people driving when they can walk are strawmen.

People can decide to use their cars more efficiently. The walking vs driving comment is the actual strawman here.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #223 on: May 01, 2019, 01:35:04 pm »
People can decide to use their cars more efficiently. The walking vs driving comment is the actual strawman here.

Most people already do that. But when you have to commute, you have to commute.

What will reduce emissions is more efficient technology and a push to achieve that.

Then we have empty carpool lanes which actually could be used more efficiently if they were opened up to the public.

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« Reply #224 on: May 01, 2019, 01:50:40 pm »
Most people already do that. But when you have to commute, you have to commute.

What will reduce emissions is more efficient technology and a push to achieve that.

Then we have empty carpool lanes which actually could be used more efficiently if they were opened up to the public.

I don't know if most people already do that but they will be enticed to do so and has been pointed out, most will actually save money if they do so, given the rebate structure.