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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #195 on: April 25, 2019, 03:10:23 pm »
Which Khadr? When did you take your oath of citizenship?
Khadr never took an oath either, he was born in Canada therefore his citizenship cannot be revoked.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #196 on: April 25, 2019, 03:11:06 pm »
I am not familiar with that expression.

It may no longer be PC but it means weak.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #197 on: April 25, 2019, 03:21:22 pm »
It may no longer be PC but it means weak.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #198 on: April 26, 2019, 11:38:54 am »
Khadr never took an oath either, he was born in Canada therefore his citizenship cannot be revoked.

Yes indeed. Different case than someone who came to Canada and was naturalized as a citizen as opposed to obtaining it by birth. I clearly agree with you and Mr. Graham on this issue.

So since birth Canadians can not be deported to another nation unless that nation excepts them but either way  we still  need to ask what to do with a Canadian who engages in terrorism overseas and then wants to come back into Canada and enjoy all the rights of his country which he was violating in another country...so I would suggest for discussion purposes:

1. the member nations of the UN need to create a convention on how we treat terrorists no different then how we came up with a convention for war and another for turture and another for refugees;

2. that convention should stipulate in the case of a birth citizen who commits terrorism overseas: I- that they are either tried and convicted in the country overseas where they committed terrorism as a domestic criminal who engaged in homicide and other criminal laws of that country incorporating principles from the terrorist convention ; and/or, II- at that country's option through an  opt out clause if that country has internal concerns preventing a proper trial or incarceration a transfer of that terrorist to an international court and prison, and/or III- the terrorist is  sent back to their nation of origin if that nation consents and is  tried for crimes defined in the Criminal code based on this convention's guidelines incorporated into those laws.

Might I suggest the above could cover citizens with only one citizenship, dual or multiple citizenship, or birth citizenship, naturalized citizenship.

I appreciate what is holding up the above is a political inability to unify countries as to defining what constitutes terrorism. I also do not think children terrorists should be exempted but there could be more emphasis placed on rehabilitation with them then adult terrorists and segregating them from adult prisoners. I also would argue it is the height of extreme idiocy to think you can bring a terrorist back to Canada and send them to reducation school to learn to be democratic again.  Then again some people think ****, serial rapists and serial killers are simply in need of counselling.

To respond to Mr. Graham, I like the concept of rotting but lets put  terrorists  up North where they have to build roads, or engage in other work building rural communities. If they do not want to work they have a choice, sit in a prison with no liberties. As it is in Canada people who murder are out in as little as 5 years, vote while in prison, get conjugal visits, cigarettes, and can arrange for prison sex and all the drugs they can consume. However no doubt their rights under the Charter will require they be given tanning beds.

As for Kadr the man should never have been paid a damn penny without it first being referred to the Supreme Court of Canada to decide if a person with dirty hands should be entitled to any compensation or just an apology if any... had I been a Judge and Kadr appeared before me as a basic consideration under s.718 of the Criminal Code I would have wanted to see remorse evidenced by him for what he had done before releasing him  which to this day has never provided-he has never once apologized for what he did. Next had I been the Judge I would have allowed his compensation if any to be re-routed to the children of the person he killed for their future.

Then again I think our war vets who can't get proper medical follow up services for PTSD and permanent physical wounds are a far more important consideration as to just who are the victims of a war and in need of compensation than terrorists like Kadr.  I would argue any compensation from acts of terror should go to the victims not the terrorist victimizers  which are of course first the civilians targeted, then the first responders, i.e., soldiers, rescue workers injured or maimed responding.

What that has to do with Mr. Sheer I do not know.  Yes Mr. Sheer disagreed with Trudeau's comments on bringing terrorists back and "re-educating" them, but  I think that is a non partisan issue and Trudeau's attempt to monopolize it as a Liberal agenda to welcome back terrorists as victims was as stupid as his comment about understanding the underlying causes of terrorism. You murder someone, on one level in a closed room you can tell a psychotherapist why you never resolved your issues with Papa. On another level  you need to be contained and quarantined from society and held responsible for your actions. Using the former to avoid the latter is bullshit.


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #199 on: April 26, 2019, 12:21:35 pm »
to this day has never provided-he has never once apologized for what he did

He did apologize to the widow of Chris Speer: “I’m really, really sorry for the pain I caused you and your family

Remember, Khadar was a 15 year old found in the rubble of an Afghan compound that had been bombarded by the Americans for hours. We do have a confession from him that goes beyond, but remember it was signed after years of torture and duress in Gitmo.

What specifically are you demanding of him?

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« Reply #200 on: April 27, 2019, 02:10:01 am »
;D looks like weakSauce Andy's CPC strategy team is putting the final touches on its yet to be announced, long overdue, "climate change plan" /snarc...

Scheer as the keynote speaker at an April 11th election strategy meeting held in secret at a conference event hosted by a pro-oil advocacy group called the, "Modern Miracle Network". An event attended by oil execs/governors of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP)), supporters of federal CPC and Alberta Conservative parties, lawyers for the federal CPC party... and at least one high-profile U.S. activist/oppo researcher (Michael Roman) who previously worked for the Koch Brothers and most recently as a special assistant and director of special projects and research within the Trump admin.

Quote from: CPC leader Scheer in attempting to downplay the significance and intent of the meeting
I meet with people all the time. I meet with different representatives of many different types of industries



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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #201 on: April 27, 2019, 08:09:58 am »
He did apologize to the widow of Chris Speer: “I’m really, really sorry for the pain I caused you and your family
 

@Rue - @impact has directly countered your claim - were you aware of this ?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #202 on: April 27, 2019, 09:32:31 am »
Flash! Waldo is really Catherine McKenna.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #203 on: April 27, 2019, 11:01:08 am »
Flash! Waldo is really Catherine McKenna.

geezaz wilber - such a weak response even coming from you! Why not take the opportunity to support Scheer's covert op... take the opportunity to tout this type of weakSauce's "industry regulation". This Scheer bumbling response to being asked about the 'secret conference' is weakSauce at his best:

Quote from: CPC leader Scheer in attempting to downplay the significance and intent of the meeting
I meet with people all the time. I meet with different representatives of many different types of industries
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #204 on: April 27, 2019, 12:25:22 pm »
He did apologize to the widow of Chris Speer: “I’m really, really sorry for the pain I caused you and your family

Remember, Khadar was a 15 year old found in the rubble of an Afghan compound that had been bombarded by the Americans for hours. We do have a confession from him that goes beyond, but remember it was signed after years of torture and duress in Gitmo.

What specifically are you demanding of him?
Thanks for pointing that out as it does seem that, at least certain people, can conveniently ignore the actual circumstances of this, or any other case when it suits their bias.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #205 on: April 27, 2019, 01:05:48 pm »
why is my post outlining the Scheer covert operation so dumb, chum?


this would seem kinda important/relevant - yes? Outside, "Friendly Interest Groups", leading the charge - oh my! Is that like... yellow-vester types with a dash of Faith Goldy in the mix?
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Federal Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer delivered a keynote address, the document showed. His national campaign director, Hamish Marshall, and veteran Conservative organizer Mark Spiro spoke on a panel about “rallying the base” by using friendly interest groups that operate independently of the party.

this as well - yes?
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One session at the conference focused on deploying “litigation as a tool” to silence environmental critics and featured U.S. opposition researcher Mike Roman, who served as special assistant and director of special projects and research under Donald Trump until last year. He spoke alongside Arthur Hamilton, a lawyer with Quebec-based Resolute Forest Products, the agenda showed. Mr. Hamilton is also a lawyer for the federal Conservative Party. Resolute has waged a long-running and largely unsuccessful court battle against Greenpeace.

this too - yes? An Ipsos Polling exec - oh my!
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Another panel was dubbed “Paths to federal election victory” and was led by an executive for polling firm Ipsos Public Affairs who was introduced by CAPP president Tim McMillan.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #206 on: April 28, 2019, 09:56:16 am »
after being caught off-guard by that reporter's question, weakSauce has received his war-room talking points... going from this:

Quote from: CPC leader Scheer in attempting to downplay the significance and intent of the covert meeting
I meet with people all the time. I meet with different representatives of many different types of industries

to now this "emboldened" statement:



but still not acknowledging why a {Koch Brothers/Trump} U.S. activist/oppo-researcher was at the meeting... or why he didn't take the opportunity to further extend upon the meetings discussion on his campaign director Hamish Marshall's plan to use so-called "Friendly Interest Groups" to lead his upcoming campaign - to further extend upon the intent behind his lil' buddy Hamish's recent mail-out to CPC supporters:

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It was about raising funds for our campaign, and gathering supporters feedback on where and how they consume media, and their personal perceptions. Beyond surveying supporters’ news diet, the mail-out asks whether the party should “bypass” the news media and instead hone “an aggressive social media strategy to communicate with people directly in their homes or on their mobile devices” and whether the party “should focus on direct voter contact … that will allow us to take our message to voters unfiltered.”

It also asks whether the campaign should prioritize local and community media outlets, and invest more in advertising and a “sophisticated ground game” in order to “counter the efforts of pro-media news organizations.”

The questionnaire asks supporters to what extent they agree with the statements: “The mainstream Canadian media spend too much time covering left-wing social justice issues and not enough time reporting on the economy or international affairs,” and “When union leaders who represent news media workers attack Conservatives, it creates an undeniable conflict of interest.”


waldo emphasized perspective: "Scheer appointed {Hamish} Marshall as his campaign director for the upcoming election despite controversy over Marshall’s connections to Rebel Media, an ideological cousin of Breitbart.

Marshall ran a digital strategy company, Torch Agency, from Rebel’s Toronto office, where he also ran Scheer’s leadership campaign. While with Rebel, where he was a corporate director, Marshall and Torch helped design its outreach strategies, which included aggressively microtargeting possible supporters and donors with issue-specific campaigns — a tactic he appears to have made use of in the Conservative Party as well. Often, that outreach involved attacking the mainstream media as untrustworthy."


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #207 on: April 28, 2019, 11:32:49 am »
geezaz weakSauceAndy... if you pull my heartstrings any harder you'll tear my aorta!  ;D


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #208 on: April 29, 2019, 01:17:51 pm »
just who is the CPC leader - Andrew Scheer? Why... he's the fear-mongering deceitful guy who led the conspiracy against Canada signing the UN Global Compact for Migration... that's the guy!



Why Canada's Right Lied About The UN Migration Compact - A core argument was the deceitful claim that it infringes on state sovereignty.

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In an era of globalization, vulnerable migrants and refugees have become an easy target to project an image of national strength. The **** of border walls between the U.S. and Mexico,on the southern edge of Europe and in other parts of the world as well as the thousands of fatalities in the Mediterranean Sea, in the U.S.-Mexican border region and along other migrant routes speak to the brutality with which states proclaim their sovereignty.

The rejection of the Global Compact of Migration by right-wing political activists is only the latest episode in this script. What is new, it seems, is the degree to which the populist right is proclaiming sovereignty based on lies, deceit and calculated misrepresentation targeting not only defenceless migrants and refugees, but the international community.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #209 on: April 29, 2019, 01:43:14 pm »
geezaz weakSauceAndy... if you pull my heartstrings any harder you'll tear my aorta!  ;D



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