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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #150 on: April 10, 2019, 08:02:37 am »
If Scheer calls his bluff and keeps going, but Trudeau actually sues him, it will just drag the scandal on in the news even longer, doubt JT wants that.

Yeah that's why Trudeau is bluffing. But now he's gotta double down on his threats in the house. The goal is to keep this scandal in the news. Apparently even Nanos has the CPC ahead in the polls now.

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« Reply #151 on: April 10, 2019, 03:13:55 pm »
any reference to or direct use of the word 'threat' is made by the author of the article... not PM Trudeau.

Everyone but Waldo is using the term...   including the PM.

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Trudeau said in French that if Scheer withdraws the statement, he’ll find that satisfactory and would not pursue the lawsuit further.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/there-are-consequences-for-lying-to-canadians-trudeau-on-scheer-lawsuit-threat-1.4372047

Everyone but Waldo knows this was a threat to sue!  Why so scared of the truth that you need to play silly semantic games?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #152 on: April 10, 2019, 03:19:42 pm »
Ya know ... I'm just kind of overall sick of the Liberal-conservative to-and-fro political posturing that has nothing to do with good governance.

But the blatant alt-right anti-immigrant fear-mongering of Andrew Scheer is a new low!
The man's opportunism, jumping on every incident to spread fear and hatred to gain votes, is disgusting.
Is that what passes for a Christian these days?
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It's extremism.
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« Reply #153 on: April 10, 2019, 03:43:40 pm »
Everyone but Waldo is using the term...   including the PM.

Everyone but Waldo knows this was a threat to sue!  Why so scared of the truth that you need to play silly semantic games?

and here... you score another own-goal! If you want to say PM Trudeau made reference to, as you say, "the term" - do so in a direct quote that includes "the term"! Don't presume upon the language used by yet another journalist.

again, the letter was a notification - as required if one were to choose to consider and eventually pursue legal action. It carried no direct threat.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2019, 09:02:23 am »


again, the letter was a notification - as required if one were to choose to consider and eventually pursue legal action. It carried no direct threat.

The above demonstrates that Waldo believes one can be a little bit pregnant or it even simpler terms, suck and blow at the same time.

Letters of notification are indeed a legal threat. This is precisely why they are issued. I share one thing in common with Sheer. I got one years ago when I was representing a small charity and a large cult group was trying to sue it for saying it was engaged in coercive recruitment practices. I will not mention the name of the lawyer but its a small world. He never did take the charity to court.  Very few if any defamation suits end up in court. The Plaintiff would have to show damages in a quantified monetary amount.

The only damage Trudeau has is to his brain and that pre-existed anything Sheer said.
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« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2019, 11:43:21 am »
again, notwithstanding incorrect media headlines and weakSauces's drama, the letter - this letter - has no threat to sue within it. The letter's reference to, "treated as notice", is exactly that - and nothing more! The letter gave notice to Scheer in writing, specifying the matter complained of - nothing more, nothing less - no threat to sue no matter how hard Scheer insisted so during his whining presser charging PM Trudeau with being a bully!
Perhaps not directly, but there certainly was an implied threat that if Scheer continued on the course he set then he would be subject to one.

That being said, I agree with the "cease and desist" letter from Trudeau's lawyer; and as you have pointed out he is not the first Prime Minister to do this.

notwithstanding yet another failed interpretation from our resident comicInternetLawyer, member Rue, the letter itself states:
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This letter will be referred to in any subsequent action and is to be treated as a notice pursuant to s. 5 of the Libel and Slander Act of Ontario


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« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2019, 03:48:58 pm »
and here... you score another own-goal! If you want to say PM Trudeau made reference to, as you say, "the term" - do so in a direct quote that includes "the term"! Don't presume upon the language used by yet another journalist.

again, the letter was a notification - as required if one were to choose to consider and eventually pursue legal action. It carried no direct threat.

So it was a cease and desist. Clearly Sheer has no intention to cease and desist. Because it keeps the story in the news.

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« Reply #157 on: April 12, 2019, 12:05:31 am »
So it was a cease and desist. Clearly Sheer has no intention to cease and desist. Because it keeps the story in the news.

it's up to weakSauce and his "brain" trust - he's received the requisite notice. Certainly his prerogative to ignore it - to continue showcasing that his, as you say, principle aim/intent is to continue milking it! 

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« Reply #158 on: April 12, 2019, 12:29:32 am »
Once again the progressive Leftist Liberal party a day after providing funding to Loblaws but not small businesses for new fridge units


c'mon Andy! Loblaws is one of 50 (projected) winners within the $500 million fund available through the Low Carbon Economy Challenge - "leveraging Canadian ingenuity to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and generate clean growth in support of Canada’s clean growth and climate action plan"; specifically, the challenge is broken down into 2 streams, one of which small-medium businesses may apply/submit proposals to:



... hey weakSauce, apparently Loblaws isn't a refrigeration company and will need to rely upon local small businesses to help it retrofit, per the challenge selection, approximately 370 stores across Canada between 2019 to 2022.
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In a 1/4-to-3/4 cost sharing agreement, the Liberal Government is investing up to $12 million to help the company convert the refrigeration systems to help reduce Loblaw’s annual emissions by approximately 23 per cent. By leveraging up to $36 million in investments made by Loblaw, the Government is working together with Canadian business to support ingenuity and grow Canada’s clean economy.

geezaz Andy... this is just like all those times you keep nattering on about the bigBadCarbonTax... without ever mentioning the rebates. What about the rebates weakSauce - what about the rebates! 

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #159 on: April 12, 2019, 05:42:58 am »


c'mon Andy! Loblaws is one of 50 (projected) winners within the $500 million fund available through the Low Carbon Economy Challenge

I did not know that.

I did know that this story should strike anyone with a smidgen of knowledge as "why is this a big deal ?"

- Companies get tax breaks all the time, for worse reasons
- Big corporations are good at getting tax breaks
- Energy efficiency is a program that garners tax breaks to achieve a purpose
- Harper had a program of tax breaks under his watch, for individuals.  These go back to the 1970s.

So ... why THIS ?

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #160 on: April 12, 2019, 06:54:58 am »
notwithstanding yet another failed interpretation from our resident comicInternetLawyer, member Rue, the letter itself states:

Waldo  you of course include the personal insult about me being an internet lawyer when in fact you not I play one by you cutting and pasting what you did which does not address the issue of how defamation law suits are used to threaten people.

Nothing you provided discusses or addresses the intent.

At least try provide something that backs up your argument. Can you just once?

Filing a notice of course is the first step in a defamation law suit, no one said it wasn't. The fact that it is filed shows an intent to sue.

Waldo do you think indicating to sue someone who disagrees with you is  not a threat its just a friendly exercise in discussion?

Waldo I will now address the issue you do not understand.

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the right to “freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication”.

That creates a legal assumption that we are free to disagree and express disagreement over political opinions. What we also know is that if that political discussion incites violence it may trigger a criminal code violation.

In addition to inciting hatred,  other  expressions in Canada could constitute  crimes, such as perjury or distributing obscene material.

In regards  to defamation (oral =slander, written=libel), the Plaintiff who wants to sue must show both harm to his/her reputation by  a false written or oral statement about that person by the third party plus damages quantified in a monetary amount directly resulting from the statement.

If you can prove defamation it means you could prove damages in a specific amount of money as a result of in this case Sheer's statements.

It should also be noted that defamation law in Canada varies from province to province. In Ontario, for example, legislation on defamation is found in the Libel and Slander Act. Defamation can be subdivided into libel a

If you are suing for libel in Canada, you do not need to prove that you suffered damages—you only need to prove that a false statement with a permanent record was made about you to a third party, and the court will presume that damages were suffered but you still have the onus to prove your amount of damages or the court will not invent a number for you. If you are suing for slander, you usually do need to prove that damages were suffered and you suffered  financial loss.

The defences to defamation are:

1. Ythe statement was true; a true statement cannot be defamatory;

2. "absolute privilege,” which means that the communication was made in a venue where people ought to have absolute privilege to speak freely; (applies while in Parliament or giving evidence in a trial);

3. qualified privilege,” ( the communication was given in a non-malicious and well-intentioned context);

4. “fair comment,” which means that your statement was a non-malicious opinion about a matter of public interest.

In the context of two politicians arguing, Sheer would argue a combo of 3 and 4 plus that Trudeau has no way to prove financial loss.

Everyone knows this including Trudeau's lawyers. What we lawyers know and Waldo will not know because he relies on cut and paste and has never practiced law, is very rarely do any defamation law suits filed ever go to court. The act of filing the intent to sue is itself used as a warning to the other side to cool it so to speak. It makes them think twice before saying anything else.

That is the practical application of how its used as any lawyer can tell you.

Now in this case its foolish for Trudeau to have done what he did the same reason it was foolish for Harper having done the same thing in the past: no Judge is going to restrict one's political freedom of expression unless its absolutely necessary to, not to protect an individual ego, but the integrity of the legal system of politics when it deals with two politicians.

It is a given politicians disagree and debate openly and should be able to. This idea a politician  can sue another politician for a disagreement is as juvenile as Waldo's constant comments that try personally insult people. They go with the territory. A politician is expected to have thick skin.

There is one other defence to defamation many do not understand and that is that a  journalist can report false allegations if the news is urgent and of public importance, and if the journalist made an effort to verify the information. Even if that statement turns out to be false, the public the journalist will be excused from  being libel unless after he reasonably becomes aware of it not being true he keeps repeating it. This is not the case at hand.

The actual legal expression for  trying to use the threat of a law suit to shut someone up is referred to as a "libel chill" or a "slander chill" and in fact is discussed in many defamation cases.

No doubt Waldo's excuse for not being able to counter what I say now will be  another grinning black man and word count.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #161 on: April 12, 2019, 07:11:46 am »
notwithstanding yet another failed interpretation from our resident comicInternetLawyer, member Rue, the letter itself states:

cite:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201508/why-narcissists-need-you-doubt-yourself

"However, some regard narcissism as a cover-up for an extreme sense of vulnerability or personal inadequacy. According to this view, narcissists insult others to feel better about themselves. They might be particularly likely to make disparaging comments when they’re feeling threatened in some way, afraid their flaws will be exposed."
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #162 on: April 12, 2019, 09:50:22 am »
Who is Andrew Scheer?
Well, apparently he's figured out that being seen as consorting with white supremacists isn't helpful to him:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/04/10/scheer-denounces-white-supremacy-after-conservative-senator-questions-threat.html
"OTTAWA—Andrew Scheer condemned “anyone who promotes racist ideology” after a Conservative senator questioned whether white supremacy was a significant threat to Canadian communities.

Scheer told reporters Wednesday that he “100 per cent” denounces anyone who “promotes white nationalism, promotes any type of extremism."

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #163 on: April 12, 2019, 10:13:33 am »
Who is Andrew Scheer?
Well, apparently he's figured out that being seen as consorting with white supremacists isn't helpful to him:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/04/10/scheer-denounces-white-supremacy-after-conservative-senator-questions-threat.html
"OTTAWA—Andrew Scheer condemned “anyone who promotes racist ideology” after a Conservative senator questioned whether white supremacy was a significant threat to Canadian communities.

Scheer told reporters Wednesday that he “100 per cent” denounces anyone who “promotes white nationalism, promotes any type of extremism."

Yeah but Hidden Agenda right?  ::)

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« Reply #164 on: April 12, 2019, 10:55:08 am »
cite:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201508/why-narcissists-need-you-doubt-yourself

"However, some regard narcissism as a cover-up for an extreme sense of vulnerability or personal inadequacy. According to this view, narcissists insult others to feel better about themselves. They might be particularly likely to make disparaging comments when they’re feeling threatened in some way, afraid their flaws will be exposed."

just a small sampling of one of your favs - many, many, many other occurrences of other "terms of endearment" you've used exist throughout the complete forum... well do ya... feel better about yourself?  ;D

Can any of you Liberal patoots do that?
My mama is dead but she taught me how to spot a liberal patoot. Early detection is crucial to prevent its spread.
You are wasting your breath. Trying to explain basic economic concepts to a liberal patoot is like explaining contraception to a devout MormonMuslimCatholicOrthodoxJewishRastafarian.
Run with Waldo and Omni and pretend you can fly. Fly fly little Liberal patoots.
What will Prof. Waldo and his buddy boy liberal patoots say to that.
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Waldo and his liberal patoots
The Liberal patoot circle seems 

with these liberal patoots in that
which you, Trudeau and your Liberal patooty friends can not erase.

Bring it on you Liberal patoots.
as well as that other Liberal patoot the Kadr loving Omni.