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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2019, 01:05:01 pm »
Scheer certainly blew it with his initial response to the killings in NZ when he neglected to identify the facts that the people who were shot were Muslims and in their mosque. He tried to repair that later but it mostly just served to underscore the initial blunder.

Pretty ridiculous thing to criticize someone for.  Does it mean he's Islamophobic or something? Just dumb as this article.  Does it mean Trudeau is antisemitic and doesn't care about jews?:  https://torontosun.com/2017/10/04/trudeau-erases-jews-from-the-holocaust-again/wcm/5961a79b-1c4a-4438-a2b3-9c7ab3eee871#comments

Let's focus on intention not nitpick on every word of what someone says or doesn't say.
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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2019, 01:18:18 pm »
Pretty ridiculous thing to criticize someone for.  Does it mean he's Islamophobic or something? Just dumb as this article.  Does it mean Trudeau is antisemitic and doesn't care about jews?:  https://torontosun.com/2017/10/04/trudeau-erases-jews-from-the-holocaust-again/wcm/5961a79b-1c4a-4438-a2b3-9c7ab3eee871#comments

Let's focus on intention not nitpick on every word of what someone says or doesn't say.

I will have to assume then that you are also quite happy with him making a speech while being on stage with the likes of Faith Goldy and the Yellow Vests far right anti immigrant group.
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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2019, 01:21:50 pm »
I will have to assume then that you are also quite happy with him making a speech while being on stage with the likes of Faith Goldy and the Yellow Vests far right anti immigrant group.

What?  I already said that was an error for him, though i heard Goldy just showed up uninvited.
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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2019, 03:15:18 pm »
Pretty ridiculous thing to criticize someone for.

it took that social media (and even some mainstream media) criticism to drag a do-over from Andy - 15 hours later! Clearly Andy is either... pandering or just tone-deaf? (h/t TorStar editorial)... there's a somewhat lengthy pattern here - ya think! Per that TorStar editorial, an extract:


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« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2019, 03:37:27 pm »
This is just the most recent event where Scheer seems to show his true colors. He has a history of same.


Andrew Scheer and members of his Conservative caucus attended and spoke at the Yellow Vests Convoy rally in Ottawa. Attendees of the rally included white nationalist Faith Goldy and members of prominent far-right anti-immigrant hate groups.


https://north99.org/2019/02/19/andrew-scheer-joins-white-nationalist-faith-goldy-hate-group-members-to-endorse-yellow-vests-convoy/
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2019, 05:08:45 pm »
Well here's a recent poll from Ipsos Reid about what Canadians think about immigration in Canada.  I guess most are a bunch of rabid racists

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-01/immigration-tables-1_0.pdf

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-01/immigration_slides.pdf

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2019, 08:28:35 pm »
Most are completely uninformed.

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« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2019, 08:53:47 pm »
Most are completely uninformed.
Rather arrogant of you to assume that you are the one who is "informed" when you get your knowledge from people with a vested interest in exaggerating the benefits while downplaying the harms.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2019, 08:55:58 pm »
Rather arrogant of you to assume that you are the one who is "informed" when you get your knowledge from people with a vested interest in exaggerating the benefits while downplaying the harms.

Fear of people who are different is what's driving this attitude, coupled with misinformation put out about benefits that immigrants and refugees receive.  I'll be arrogant in the face of that, yeah.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2019, 09:16:48 pm »
Well here's a recent poll from Ipsos Reid about what Canadians think about immigration in Canada.  I guess most are a bunch of rabid racists

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-01/immigration-tables-1_0.pdf

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-01/immigration_slides.pdf

Well it really depends who is immigrating to our country:


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2019, 09:45:41 pm »
Fear of people who are different is what's driving this attitude, coupled with misinformation put out about benefits that immigrants and refugees receive.  I'll be arrogant in the face of that, yeah.
If you can't provide a significant list of the benefits AND harms caused by immigration then you can't claim to be informed. It is complex issue and ignoring the real harms that do exist is as bad as ignoring the benefits which also exist.

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« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2019, 10:26:44 pm »
Rather arrogant of you to assume that you are the one who is "informed" when you get your knowledge from people with a vested interest in exaggerating the benefits while downplaying the harms.

Yes, it's a bad assumption - but having spoken to a lot of 'real' Canadians I suspect he is dead right.

- They get their news from bad sources
- They overstate the numbers of immigrants and refugees
- They overstate the numbers of border crossing refugees
- They don't understand the rationale for immigration
- They mix up immigration with the refugee system

If I didn't encounter these things so often I would say that it's probably incorrect.  But I encounter them virtually every time I engage with a stranger on this topic, in fact I can't think of being quoted a correct fact that I didn't know already.

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« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2019, 10:36:00 pm »
Perhaps they tend to get hoodwinked by the BS that comes from Trumps mouth. Scheer seems to mimic him more and more often.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2019, 10:37:16 pm »
Perhaps they tend to get hoodwinked by the BS that comes from Trumps mouth. Scheer seems to mimic him more and more often.

No - they share memes and anonymous videos created by troll factories.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2019, 11:21:22 pm »
If I didn't encounter these things so often I would say that it's probably incorrect.  But I encounter them virtually every time I engage with a stranger on this topic, in fact I can't think of being quoted a correct fact that I didn't know already.
As with most complex topics there are moronic arguments used by the both sides. Should I call people who support your pro-immigration stance uninformed morons because some people who support your pro-immigration stance are uninformed? Is that really the standard we should adopt?

The fact is there are harms caused by immigration and informed people understand the harms and the benefits and make a choice to balance the two based on their values. There is no easy right answer on this topic and it is dishonest to pretend there is one. Is also absurdly arrogant to assume that anyone who does not agree with you must be uninformed.
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