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Offline MH

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1350 on: November 24, 2019, 10:24:42 am »
Scheer should step down a leader.  He had a really good opportunity and lost.  Time for a change clearly.  Own your failure Scheer, stop making excuses.  You don't have what it takes, let someone else try.

I want people to get on the same damn page.  Try something new - if it doesn't work try again.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1351 on: November 24, 2019, 01:03:25 pm »
Well, first of all I forgot about that and I agree that it IS significant.  But personal views and political agenda can of course be separate and usually are I would think.

The anti-liberalism part is to not tolerate a divergent view based on religious belief.


You may need to investigate liberalism a little more.... ::)

Liberalism also generally espouses secular government.  So itís completely fair, given Scheerís record as a politician to try and legislate his religious views on others, to ask questions about it. 


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« Reply #1352 on: November 24, 2019, 01:46:41 pm »
Well, first of all I forgot about that and I agree that it IS significant.  But personal views and political agenda can of course be separate and usually are I would think.

Sure i think your political views and personal views can be different, it then comes down to a matter of trust of the electorate towards the politician, and i don't think Scheer earned that trust.  He was all over the map with a bunch of his policies.

I also think people want a politician who believes in the policies he stands for.  It inspires people. Scheer lacked conviction and vison.  He would change his platform based on which way the political winds were blowing.  He was a follower, not a leader.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1353 on: November 24, 2019, 01:56:21 pm »
Sure i think your political views and personal views can be different, it then comes down to a matter of trust of the electorate towards the politician, and i don't think Scheer earned that trust.  He was all over the map with a bunch of his policies.

I also think people want a politician who believes in the policies he stands for.  It inspires people. Scheer lacked conviction and vison.  He would change his platform based on which way the political winds were blowing.  He was a follower, not a leader.

I think two major issues he flip flopped on were same sex marriage and abortion. When he was running to lead the party he agreed would allow debate to be opened on those issues. When he was running to run the country, he said he wouldn't. That type of obfuscation would affect where I marked my X.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1354 on: November 24, 2019, 02:08:24 pm »
The man failed.  He fired two top advisors, but the buck stops at his feet.

He sounds like Clinton, making all sorts of excuses for their losses to protect their egos.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1355 on: November 24, 2019, 02:14:08 pm »
The man failed.  He fired two top advisors, but the buck stops at his feet.

He sounds like Clinton, making all sorts of excuses for their losses to protect their egos.

Except Clinton did it with a lot more style.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1356 on: November 24, 2019, 04:25:44 pm »
Liberalism also generally espouses secular government.  So itís completely fair, given Scheerís record as a politician to try and legislate his religious views on others, to ask questions about it.

Well, as I said that's valid but I think if a politician says they're not going to legislate something on the basis of their religion moving forward, their religiosity shouldn't be the basis of suspicion.  It wasn't for Singh and nobody (aside from far-right bloggers) said he would be compromised on foreign policy.

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« Reply #1357 on: November 24, 2019, 04:59:39 pm »
Except Clinton did it with a lot more style.

Really?  She was a disaster.  She was more competent and polished politically than Scheer, but i'm not here to compare.  They both lost and they both need to make themselves accountable for it and stop making excuses.  They were both crappy candidates, whether one was worse than the other that depends on your political leanings.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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« Reply #1358 on: November 24, 2019, 05:25:36 pm »
Really?  She was a disaster.  She was more competent and polished politically than Scheer, but i'm not here to compare.  They both lost and they both need to make themselves accountable for it and stop making excuses.  They were both crappy candidates, whether one was worse than the other that depends on your political leanings.

"I'm not here to compare" so now I'll just go ahead and compare. Funny!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1359 on: November 24, 2019, 06:14:25 pm »
Well, as I said that's valid

OK.  Good.


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but I think if a politician says they're not going to legislate something on the basis of their religion moving forward, their religiosity shouldn't be the basis of suspicion.  It wasn't for Singh and nobody (aside from far-right bloggers) said he would be compromised on foreign policy.

Their religiosity is the basis of suspicion?   How do you figure?   It is Scheerís lack of an answer to a question you say is valid that is the basis of suspicion.  And, as another poster mentioned, his responses to the religious-right groups, makes up the ďsuspicionĒ. 

I also think being of the religious-right...  fighting against the rights of citizens to marry and for women to have bodily-autonomy rights in the past should actually be a reason for people not to vote for a person.  I think it should automatically exclude Scheer, and his party, from getting any votes.

So, yes...  itís a fair question.

If you can tell me where Singh has, or would, legislate based on his religious views I would be happy to throw him and the NDP under the secular bus too. 

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1360 on: November 24, 2019, 08:04:22 pm »
"I'm not here to compare" so now I'll just go ahead and compare. Funny!

Comparing who was worse is not the main point i was trying to mean is what i'm saying.  Who cares who was better or worse, they both lost, they both need to be put out to pasture as federal leader candidates & take responsibility for their losses.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1361 on: November 25, 2019, 12:41:41 pm »
They were both crappy candidates, whether one was worse than the other that depends on your political leanings.

Removing the multitude of conspiracy theories, what exactly made Clinton a crappy candidate. This is a serious question. I did not like her, but most of the expressed issues against her had zero basis in fact.

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« Reply #1362 on: November 25, 2019, 12:43:51 pm »
Removing the multitude of conspiracy theories, what exactly made Clinton a crappy candidate. This is a serious question. I did not like her, but most of the expressed issues against her had zero basis in fact.

maybe take it to a Clinton thread.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1363 on: November 25, 2019, 12:52:31 pm »
maybe take it to a Clinton thread.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1364 on: November 26, 2019, 06:23:23 am »
Their religiosity is the basis of suspicion?   How do you figure? 

Because there's a double-standard around Christianity vs other religions, I believe.  Scheer didn't answer a question, or answered it poorly but if he said he's not going to legislate these matters then who cares what his personal opinion is ?

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I also think being of the religious-right...  fighting against the rights of citizens to marry and for women to have bodily-autonomy rights in the past should actually be a reason for people not to vote for a person.  I think it should automatically exclude Scheer, and his party, from getting any votes.

Right, but if the battle has been won should we never vote for a Christian again ?  And should we never vote for Muslims ?