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Offline waldo

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Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« on: March 09, 2019, 03:39:08 am »
for milquetoastScheer - where does the bland end and the timid/feeble begin?

on display now: the stark contrast between a real leader U.S. Sen. McCain's countering response to a conspiracy and that of Scheer's spineless refusal at a town hall to callout and correct a profound & debunked conspiracy theory against the Clinton Foundation as it was being used to attack PM Trudeau... Scheer choosing instead to leverage it further! A story that the NP and G&M, somehow, haven't found time to carry yet - go figure.

https://youtu.be/BN97OE-g4ME  https://youtu.be/jrnRU3ocIH4

at the height of a conspiracy movement claiming U.S. President Obama was not a natural-born American citizen and therefore ineligible for the U.S. presidency, a real leader, U.S. Sen. McCain before hundreds of supporters & national media, challenged its premise in an exchange that came to be viewed as a defining moment in his political career:


and now we get the weasel comeback from scurrying CPC/Scheer spokepersons attempting to attribute Scheer's response to his not hearing the single word "Pizzagate"... a monumental weasel comeback that, in itself, ignores the same town hall questioner's words stating, "JT gave the Clinton Foundation $600 million - while claiming the Clinton Foundation's participation in child-trafficking & child-sacrifice"!

just who is the real Scheer? This weak-kneed, spineless guy? ... the same guy who, for weeks on end, falsely portrayed the Liberal government's support for the UN Global Compact on Migration - using it as a purposeful wedge issue to falsely portray how that support would influence Canada's immigration system? ... the same guy who seems to have no qualms in attending a rally that included white nationalists and members of prominent far-right anti-immigrant hate groups? That guy?

like that part of the Scheer town hall audience that applauded the Clinton Foundation conspiracy being used to attack PM Trudeau => Scheer vs. Bernier... a key battle for that part of the voter base - oh my!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2019, 09:30:48 am »

Looked him up again... really a bland nothing.  I can't understand why these underwhelming people keep getting nominated. 

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2019, 10:33:30 am »
Looked him up again... really a bland nothing.  I can't understand why these underwhelming people keep getting nominated.

Agreed, the biggest thing Trudeau has going for him right now is the quality of his opposition.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2019, 12:04:51 pm »
Agreed, the biggest thing Trudeau has going for him right now is the quality of his opposition.
I think we need to rethink the criteria we use to judge leaders. It seems like "charismatic" leaders are either like Trudeau or Obama have no substance because they spend all their hours building and maintaining the image of charisma rather than working on the stuff needed to govern. Or they are extremists like Trump or Bernier or Ford that push simplistic but unworkable policy prescriptions for complex problems and tend to bristle at the notion that government means collaboration.

Personally, I like a "milquetoast" leader if that means the leader is quietly building consensus towards pragmatic solutions to the problems that face us. Toronto has certainly benefited from the "milquetoast" Tory after the insanity of the "charismatic" Rob Ford.


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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2019, 12:08:58 pm »
Looked him up again... really a bland nothing.  I can't understand why these underwhelming people keep getting nominated.

the bland shot is an easy one - why I've started to somewhat regularly highlight milquetoastScheer's blandBrand . Of course going below the superficial is a real testament to the realMan - and correspondingly to the party he would presume to lead.

in this case, Scheer couldn't find the balls to counter the conspiracy slam being used against PM Trudeau... to be seen before the town hall faithful standing up for Trudeau by simply countering the statements. Instead Scheer chose to effectively endorse them even to the point of leveraging them to allow him to further attack. That's more than bland... much, much more!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2019, 12:16:02 pm »
I think we need to rethink the criteria we use to judge leaders. It seems like "charismatic" leaders are either like Trudeau or Obama have no substance because they spend all their hours building and maintaining the image of charisma rather than working on the stuff needed to govern. Or they are extremists like Trump or Bernier or Ford that push simplistic but unworkable policy prescriptions for complex problems and tend to bristle at the notion that government means collaboration.

Personally, I like a "milquetoast" leader if that means the leader is quietly building consensus towards pragmatic solutions to the problems that face us. Toronto has certainly benefited from the "milquetoast" Tory after the insanity of the "charismatic" Rob Ford.

I prefer a policy wonk as well but I'm still not impressed by any of them.
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 01:12:43 pm »
Pretty unimpressed with Scheer's performance during the SNC business (or at any time before that, really.)  Lisa Raitt has seemed like the real opposition leader here.


I gather that the waldo is already in election campaign mode.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 01:25:04 pm »
Pretty unimpressed with Scheer's performance during the SNC business (or at any time before that, really.)  Lisa Raitt has seemed like the real opposition leader here.


I gather that the waldo is already in election campaign mode.

no, my marching order for today didn't come from the war-room - stay tuned! I kid, I kid..... In any case Raitt has no shortage of baggage, ala HarperDays - they should definitely trot her out more!

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 01:58:34 pm »
Toronto has certainly benefited from the "milquetoast" Tory after the insanity of the "charismatic" Rob Ford.

There is no comparison between Tory and Sheer. I wouldn't vote for either, but they are miles apart.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2019, 02:55:55 pm »
since Scheer chose to, effectively, propagate the Clinton Foundation conspiracy, a fact for Andy to factor into his mighty display of cowardice: to the statement that, "Trudeau gave $600 million to the Clinton Foundation", it was actually the Liberal government representing Canada’s leadership on sexual and reproductive health and rights: providing $20 million in funding; specifically:



 
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 04:54:10 pm »
wtf is milquetoast?
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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 08:20:56 pm »
Scheer is just a guy, bland, as much as Trudeau may stammer I find Scheer even harder to listen to, not that i listen to either of them very often.  Trudeau only has to make sure he stays scandal fre...

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2019, 12:32:03 am »
for milquetoastScheer - where does the bland end and the timid/feeble begin?

and now we get the weasel comeback from scurrying CPC/Scheer spokepersons attempting to attribute Scheer's response to his not hearing the single word "Pizzagate"... a monumental weasel comeback that, in itself, ignores the same town hall questioner's words stating, "JT gave the Clinton Foundation $600 million - while claiming the Clinton Foundation's participation in child-trafficking & child-sacrifice"!

oh my! There's now a slightly revamped response from Scheer himself; now claiming he didn't hear the single word "Pizzagate"... and that all he did hear was, "Trudeau giving $600 million to the Clinton Foundation"!

Quote from: PM Justin Trudeau
Trudeau didn’t accept the explanation, however, saying that Scheer showed “that he simply doesn’t hear or doesn’t notice intolerant comments.”

“Someone made just a terrible comment about a bit of fake news — that is absolutely heinous in its substance — called Pizzagate,” Trudeau said during an armchair discussion at a Catholic teachers association meeting in Ottawa on Saturday.

    “And [Scheer’s] response was, ‘Oh I didn’t hear that comment in the question.'”

Trudeau went on to attack Scheer for failing to acknowledge “some of the fringe elements” among the convoy of truckers who drove from Alberta to Parliament Hill in Ottawa to protest the lack of progress on pipeline projects.

“If there’s one thing we need to do as Canadians, [it is to] be vigilant about the intolerant and extremist voices coming from all sides and stay true to the values of respect and openness that have served us so well as a country,” Trudeau said.

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Re: Just Who is the CPC Leader - Andrew Scheer?
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2019, 08:29:39 am »
So he's a shitty listener.  Hmmm...