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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Immigration policy
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2018, 04:35:06 pm »
There are problems with our immigration policy yes.
However saying there are problems with our immigration policies and then in the next breath inferring  immigrants are criminals based on subjective anecdotal observations is illogical.

Your entire long, blathering post seems to be based on the idea that someone, at some point, somewhere or other, 'inferred' that "immigrants" are criminals.
But virtually none of the complaints regarding the effectiveness of our immigration system is based on immigrant crime. And I rarely mention it myself.

Most opposition to our present form of immigration is based on:

A. Economics
B. Values/culture
C. The ability for Canada to assimilate

When discussing problems with immigration I would say 90%+ of my posts are with reference to the above.

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Whether immigrants commit crimes is determine by using proper objective methodology. If anything research and statistics has not shown imigrants are necessarily criminals or more likely to be criminals and I would invite Sir John to provide the research where it shows this.

Given Canada keeps no crime statistics based on race or place of origin - by design - that's impossible, of course. Then again, I have never stated that immigrants, as a whole, are 'more likely to be criminals'. This is again a straw man of your own construction.

By the way, why have several levels of government vowed to not keep statistics based on race or origin? Their stated purpose is 'to not give support to racists'. That reason only works if the crime rate is higher among certain races or ethnic groups.

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I would suggest there is a reason his posts on immigrants always return to his subjective anecdotal observations and no hard proof.

Yes. See above. When liberal governments vow that keeping such statistics will not be done then it's rather hard to show 'proof'.

Here's a fun game. Spot the white guy:
https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/crime/most-wanted.asp

Would you care to make a suggestion about why, when visible minorities make up 20% of the population every wanted list seems to have mostly visible minorities?

Yes, yes, visible minorities aren't 'necessarily' immigrants, but according to the government only 30% are born in Canada and that includes lots of kids. Now maybe you turn your brain off whenever you see such lists, but some of us are more open minded and wondering.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wanted

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1-bringing in to Canada needed skilled workers
2-bringing in to Canada needed skilled trades people
3-bring in to Canada legitimate foreign investors and businesses that would expand operations into Canada hiring Canadians and contributing
to our economy.

I have no issue with any of that. But you ignore other factors, such as cultural adaptability. Do you have any problem with importing tens of thousands of people who hate Jews every year and believe wholeheartedly in various conspiracies involving Jews? If not, then perhaps you could petition the government to do so and ask that they all live in your neighbourhood.

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So our problem is not with immigrants or for that matter refugees.

There is a major problem with refugees. There are still problems with immigration. The language tests administered abroad by independent schools seem to have fairly low standards in many places. Various studies have shown the literacy rate among immigrants is very low, and that this is a strong contributor to poor economic results. In addition, too many immigrants come in as sponsored people without much in the way of skills, and many of the skills are not aligned properly with job needs here.

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I also challenge Sir John because to me he is no different than Trudeau. He sees all immigrants in one stereotype category.

You clearly have read virtually nothing I've written. Your complaints about immigration and refugees are, for the most part, mirror images of what I have been saying. Are you drunk, by chance? Are you replying to the wrong person? Perhaps you could take a single thing I have actually written and reply to that rather than what you imagine I might have said or 'inferred' at some point or other in some post or other.

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As for Sir John, I have no time for people who spit on immigrants. Immigrants built this country. We are all immigrants.

Yeah, that's a crock of ****. It's the mindless, dreary pablum of the unthinking Left. People born and raised here are not immigrants, legally, psychologically, emotionally or culturally. I have no idea why this ridiculous cliche continues to be so popular. Migration built almost every country on earth. The ancestors of most of the people in the UK migrated from France, Germany and Scandinavia in the distant past. They don't say "we're all immigrants'. Hell, everyone in Europe's ancestors migrated from somewhere else at some point in time. Nobody there says 'we're all immigrants'. The only place on Earth where people's ancestors were always there is Africa.

And saying 'Hey, immigrants built this country so we have to continue to have heavy immigration' is as intelligent as saying 'Hey, slavery built this country, so we have to continue to have slavery!"
« Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 04:42:12 pm by SirJohn »
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