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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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I would have done a biglier deal
« on: October 15, 2018, 11:07:15 am »
Scheer shows his lack of maturity by claiming “he would have signed a better NAFTA deal”.  He says he wouldn’t have signed this one because his would have been better.

Details are lacking on how he would have done this and what would be different....

https://nationalpost.com/news/andrew-scheer-on-revamped-nafta-deal-i-would-have-signed-a-better-one

What a stupid argument...  “mine would have been better”.   Yeah, thanks Scheer.  Your debating prowess Is really impresssive.

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Re: I would have done a biglier deal
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 11:15:15 am »
For the Conservatives who have railed against Trudeau’s lack of real-world experience, please tell me how Scheer has any more experience than Trudeau...   

From what I can tell, he got a job with the Conservatives right out of university and then was elected to Parliament.   He has never held a job outside of being a politician, or working for a politician. 

I guess we won’t be hearing the “drama teacher” meme anymore?
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 02:34:42 pm »
For the Conservatives who have railed against Trudeau’s lack of real-world experience, please tell me how Scheer has any more experience than Trudeau...   

From what I can tell, he got a job with the Conservatives right out of university and then was elected to Parliament.   He has never held a job outside of being a politician, or working for a politician. 

I guess we won’t be hearing the “drama teacher” meme anymore?

Was he a drama teacher? Then... no.

People didn't rail against Trudeau's lack of real world experience, but against his lack of ANY experience. He had rich parents and spent his life in limousines. Do you think he had a paper route when he was a kid? Not bloody likely! Think he worked as a waiter during college? Ha! He got his teaching job because of connections, and was virtually given the job of leader because of his name, and you know it. His only real accomplishment was being born. And his mother probably did most of the work for him there too.

Scheer was not my number one choice but he did spend 12 years in the House prior to becoming leader, became deputy assistant speaker, then deputy speaker, then speaker. All of that requires somewhat more effort than sitting on your ass in the back benches applauding on command. And he won the leadership on his own, not because he had a name and influence from his father's friends.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 02:49:14 pm »
Was he a drama teacher? Then... no.

People didn't rail against Trudeau's lack of real world experience, but against his lack of ANY experience. He had rich parents and spent his life in limousines. Do you think he had a paper route when he was a kid? Not bloody likely! Think he worked as a waiter during college? Ha! He got his teaching job because of connections, and was virtually given the job of leader because of his name, and you know it. His only real accomplishment was being born. And his mother probably did most of the work for him there too.

Scheer was not my number one choice but he did spend 12 years in the House prior to becoming leader, became deputy assistant speaker, then deputy speaker, then speaker. All of that requires somewhat more effort than sitting on your ass in the back benches applauding on command. And he won the leadership on his own, not because he had a name and influence from his father's friends.

Justin rode in a few limos because he grew up while his very intelligent father kept getting elected to be the Prime Minister of Canada. That's some world experience wouyldn't you say?

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2018, 03:31:42 pm »
[qupte]People didn't rail against Trudeau's lack of real world experience, but against his lack of ANY experience. He had rich parents and spent his life in limousines. Do you think he had a paper route when he was a kid? Not bloody likely! Think he worked as a waiter during college? Ha! He got his teaching job because of connections, and was virtually given the job of leader because of his name, and you know it. His only real accomplishment was being born. And his mother probably did most of the work for him there too.[/quote]

So he was privileged...   and now Conservatives hate rich people....   you people have to make up your mind about what you hate...  it keeps changing whenever it’s convenient.


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....but he did spend 12 years in the House prior to becoming leader, became deputy assistant speaker, then deputy speaker, then speaker....

So he’s one of those “career politicians” that Conswervatives hate so much....   except when they don’t.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2018, 04:11:59 pm »
My wet sack of potatoes is better than your wet sack of potatoes.
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Re: I would have done a biglier deal
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 04:23:14 pm »
Justin rode in a few limos because he grew up while his very intelligent father kept getting elected to be the Prime Minister of Canada. That's some world experience wouyldn't you say?

No.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 04:30:00 pm »
So he was privileged...   and now Conservatives hate rich people....   you people have to make up your mind about what you hate...  it keeps changing whenever it’s convenient.

I got nothing against rich people. According to Trudeau I AM one. But I'm not a fan of politicians who have inherited lots of money because they are probably unable to empathize much with those working people who have to worry about bills and to whom every little additional tax is a burden. Think Trudeau has ever worried about a car payment or a mortgage payment? Doubt it.

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So he’s one of those “career politicians” that Conswervatives hate so much....   except when they don’t.

Conservatives also don't hate career politicians. I prefer someone who has had some time outside of government first because it gives you a better basis for empathizing with voters. But I also prefer considerable experience in a party leader, much less a prime minister. There are acceptable substitutes, like running a major department or company, or being, say, a general in the military with lots of experience, but obviously, the more the better.

And again, I'm not saying Scheer is my idea of perfection. He's just better than Trudeau.
Mind you, that's a low bar.
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Re: I would have done a biglier deal
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2018, 04:31:52 pm »
My wet sack of potatoes is better than your wet sack of potatoes.

Unfortunately, that's politics right now. Who is there to get excited about on any level in any party? You ever see me write approvingly of a politician?
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 04:37:36 pm »
I got nothing against rich people. According to Trudeau I AM one. But I'm not a fan of politicians who have inherited lots of money because they are probably unable to empathize much with those working people who have to worry about bills and to whom every little additional tax is a burden. Think Trudeau has ever worried about a car payment or a mortgage payment? Doubt it.

Conservatives also don't hate career politicians. I prefer someone who has had some time outside of government first because it gives you a better basis for empathizing with voters. But I also prefer considerable experience in a party leader, much less a prime minister. There are acceptable substitutes, like running a major department or company, or being, say, a general in the military with lots of experience, but obviously, the more the better.

And again, I'm not saying Scheer is my idea of perfection. He's just better than Trudeau.
Mind you, that's a low bar.

That's a bit hypocritical from someone who supported Harper.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 04:42:01 pm »
Trudeau had a $20k/year trust fund. That is a good safety net, but it is anything but rich. Harper received more from his oil baron dad.

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2018, 06:11:32 pm »
Trudeau had a $20k/year trust fund. That is a good safety net, but it is anything but rich. Harper received more from his oil baron dad.

Cite ?  And details ?

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2018, 06:18:34 pm »
Trudeau had a $20k/year trust fund. That is a good safety net, but it is anything but rich. Harper received more from his oil baron dad.

He also worked while going through university, since the $20,000 a year wasn't quite enough to live on and go to school.

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Cite ?  And details ?

As they came of age, the heirs received regular dividends from the company — Justin’s topped out at about $20,000 annually — to supplement their incomes.

https://o.canada.com/news/justin-trudeau-admits-that-he-won-the-lottery-with-1-2-million-inheritance-and-successful-speaking-business

It's more than most Canadians have, and he admits that, but it isn't quite the life of ease/luxury that his detractors like to claim.  He made most of his money through his speaking engagements, not through inheritance.


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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 06:21:03 pm »
The Trudeau children held shares in 90562 Canada Inc., managed by Jarislowsky Fraser Investments. They received dividends from those shares, which Justin disclosed a few years ago as having a value around $20k/year. The assets of the firm were set up to transfer over the years, with Justin receiving full control of his assets just last year.

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 06:22:35 pm »
Yes, that's in the post above.  I'm surprised at how little it is.