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Offline Mr. Perfect

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Re: Harper thinks he's important...
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2018, 03:52:36 pm »
Harper's ad-buy in the NY Times praising Trump's decision to pull out of the Iran deal shows that he is not above trying to undermine the government of Canada.

Who is the leader of the CPC anyway....?   Where is Scheer hiding??? 

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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2018, 03:55:20 pm »
Harper also put an ad in the Wall Street Journal when he was an opposition MP apologizing to Americans that Canada didn't join the Iraq war.   Which side is he on???

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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2018, 03:55:32 pm »
What exactly do you think he could say that would make things worse?

You know what I would say to Bolton if I was him? I'd say that this is helping Trudeau and rallying the country behind him, which undermines the Opposition Conservatives, and asking him if US interests were better served with another four years of Trudeau and a hostile Canada on their border or a Conservative government winning next year which would be much closer to US security needs and see the world more like them than the progressive Liberals. And I'd make the point that under NAFTA 99% of the trade between us is tariff free.

Now how does that harm Canada?

Um, it was Trump who threw up the trade tariffs against Canada et al. Just to remind you.

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2018, 04:02:23 pm »
Harper also put an ad in the Wall Street Journal when he was an opposition MP apologizing to Americans that Canada didn't join the Iraq war.   Which side is he on???

Luckily we had a man in office at the time who had enough balls to stand up to Bush and just say "Non" to an illegal war.

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2018, 05:16:15 pm »
What exactly do you think he could say that would make things worse?

You know what I would say to Bolton if I was him? I'd say that this is helping Trudeau and rallying the country behind him, which undermines the Opposition Conservatives, and asking him if US interests were better served with another four years of Trudeau and a hostile Canada on their border or a Conservative government winning next year which would be much closer to US security needs and see the world more like them than the progressive Liberals. And I'd make the point that under NAFTA 99% of the trade between us is tariff free.

Now how does that harm Canada?

If Trump is wondering why Canada is hostile, he need look no farther than the mirror. If 99% of trade is tariff free under NAFTA, how does that harm the US?
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2018, 05:40:38 pm »
Looks like Harper's still an ass.
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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Harper thinks he's important...
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 05:54:51 pm »
Harper's ad-buy in the NY Times praising Trump's decision to pull out of the Iran deal shows that he is not above trying to undermine the government of Canada.

Who is the leader of the CPC anyway....?   Where is Scheer hiding???

Are you saying private citizen Harper is not permitted to sign petitions and the like?
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 05:55:16 pm »
Um, it was Trump who threw up the trade tariffs against Canada et al. Just to remind you.

Which means he can take them down.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 05:56:17 pm »
If Trump is wondering why Canada is hostile, he need look no farther than the mirror. If 99% of trade is tariff free under NAFTA, how does that harm the US?

It was never Canada he was after. It was Mexico. Canada threw in a bunch of progressive demands and scurried over to stand next to the Mexicans, saying the Americans had to deal with both together.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 07:00:58 pm »
It was never Canada he was after. It was Mexico. Canada threw in a bunch of progressive demands and scurried over to stand next to the Mexicans, saying the Americans had to deal with both together.

Like what?
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 09:05:47 pm »
Which means he can take them down.

And if he had half a brain in his head he wouldn't have put them in place to start with.

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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2018, 05:47:15 am »
Harper may not may things worse but he does complicate things, and - yes - it is decorum to let the government lead the way on international discussions.  I am frankly surprised that he would be pulling this.  I don't impugn motives so let's hope he's trying to help out, somehow.
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2018, 12:27:19 pm »
Like what?

What do you mean like what? As a couple, as a menage a tois. We stand shoulder to shoulder with Mexico! That sort of thing.
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2018, 12:27:50 pm »
And if he had half a brain in his head he wouldn't have put them in place to start with.

Clearly you're mistaken. Half a brain is exactly what he has.
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2018, 12:28:47 pm »
Harper may not may things worse but he does complicate things, and - yes - it is decorum to let the government lead the way on international discussions.  I am frankly surprised that he would be pulling this.  I don't impugn motives so let's hope he's trying to help out, somehow.

Realistically, who would you think would be more likely to negotiate a reasonable agreement with the Trump administration? Justin Trudeau or Stephen Harper? And at least they respect Harper.
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