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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1740 on: June 23, 2021, 02:06:09 pm »
Liberals are stonewalling the release of info about why the 2 Chinese scientists were removed from the Winnipeg virus lab.

Liberals try to secretly amend the CRTC internet regulation bill, the Speaker removes the amendments.
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« Reply #1741 on: June 23, 2021, 02:48:40 pm »
Liberals are stonewalling the release of info about why the 2 Chinese scientists were removed from the Winnipeg virus lab.

hey Gorgeous, did you pull those 'talking points' from the Post Millennial? Such a misinforming lacking substance/detail statement...

points in fact:
=> Liberals state the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) is the appropriate, most fitting committee, to review the (redacted) documents in question.
=> NSICOP MP members have an increased security clearance that the general complement of HOC MPs do not
=> the documents in question are not for public disclosure/purview
=> the showboating, grandstanding CPC/O'Foole have "pulled" their CPC MPs from the NSICOP committee with O'Foole claiming, "the committee is now being used as a political tool by the prime minister to cover up the Winnipeg lab incident"
=> a CPC motion "demands" the head of PHAC (Iain Stewart) turn over the documents in question to the House while appearing before the house... in an effective "shaming" undertaking - a procedural measure that (as the waldo understands) hasn't been used since 1913!
=> Iain Stewart (the head of PHAC) has twice refused to comply with a Canada-China relations committee order to produce those documents, saying federal Justice officials have advised him that would be a breach of privacy laws, could interfere in an ongoing police investigation and jeopardize national security.
=> in response to a question the CPC asked of him, Iain Stewart advised the firing of the 2 Chinese scientists had nothing to do with Covid-19.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1742 on: June 23, 2021, 02:51:01 pm »
Conversion therapy is 100% stupid but should they be banning something between 2 consenting adults that doesn't harm anyone else?  They should ban it for people 18 and under.

What’s wrong with banning harmful pseudo-therapies that claim to ‘cure’ people of ‘illnesses’ that they don’t even have. 

That’s like saying we shouldn’t ban [insert scam here] because it is between “consenting adults”. 
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« Reply #1743 on: June 23, 2021, 03:06:03 pm »
Liberals try to secretly amend the CRTC internet regulation bill, the Speaker removes the amendments.

no... unless you're suggesting "secret amendments" as ones voted on, accepted and passed by the related Heritage Committee - as in NOT secret!

again, points in fact:
=> the Speaker ruled the respective amendments in question be voided since they were passed by the Heritage Committee after the allotted debate period time was exceeded
=> in followup closing debate before the entire HOC, these amendments were reinstated (again, NOT secretly) and Bill C-10 was passed by the HOC (with votes received from Liberals, Bloc & NDP)

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1744 on: June 23, 2021, 07:34:43 pm »
What’s wrong with banning harmful pseudo-therapies that claim to ‘cure’ people of ‘illnesses’ that they don’t even have. 

That’s like saying we shouldn’t ban [insert scam here] because it is between “consenting adults”.

Where would it end, there are so many?
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« Reply #1745 on: June 23, 2021, 08:55:44 pm »
Where would it end, there are so many?

Aren’t scams already illegal?  Fraud?  That sort of thing?

So, as far as I can tell, this is a pervasive religious ‘therapy’ that has no business in society and isn’t illegal.  It is absolutely worthy of banning.

Plus, why be in favour of banning it only for minors?  It’s not like it’s more work to just ban it outright.

Or do you believe that it has a place between “consenting adults”?
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1746 on: June 23, 2021, 09:19:13 pm »
Aren’t scams already illegal?  Fraud?  That sort of thing?

So, as far as I can tell, this is a pervasive religious ‘therapy’ that has no business in society and isn’t illegal.  It is absolutely worthy of banning.

Plus, why be in favour of banning it only for minors?  It’s not like it’s more work to just ban it outright.

Or do you believe that it has a place between “consenting adults”?

I think society should be very careful about dictating what has a place between consenting adults.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1747 on: June 23, 2021, 09:26:19 pm »
Aren’t scams already illegal?  Fraud?  That sort of thing?

So, as far as I can tell, this is a pervasive religious ‘therapy’ that has no business in society and isn’t illegal.  It is absolutely worthy of banning.

Plus, why be in favour of banning it only for minors?  It’s not like it’s more work to just ban it outright.

Or do you believe that it has a place between “consenting adults”?

I don't care if some gay dude wants to try to cure their gayness.  As long as they have informed consent, and there's no BS scientific claims by the "therapist".  Who is the victim here?

A minor can have their parents coerce them into doing it, so it isn't often consensual.

Should we ban religious preaching that's BS?  Ban homeopathy?  Ouija boards?  Psychics?  Horoscopes?  Fortune cookies?  Home remedies?
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1748 on: June 23, 2021, 09:51:37 pm »
I think society should be very careful about dictating what has a place between consenting adults.

So you think a religious “counselor” selling snake oil is on equal footing to someone who is trying to get help for something they have been told is wrong with them? 

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1749 on: June 23, 2021, 11:06:48 pm »
So you think a religious “counselor” selling snake oil is on equal footing to someone who is trying to get help for something they have been told is wrong with them?

There are all kinds of religious and other counsellors selling snake oil. Always has been.
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« Reply #1750 on: June 25, 2021, 10:35:42 am »
Liberals are stonewalling the release of info about why the 2 Chinese scientists were removed from the Winnipeg virus lab.

hey Gorgeous, did you pull those 'talking points' from the Post Millennial? Such a misinforming lacking substance/detail statement...

points in fact:
=> Liberals state the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians (NSICOP) is the appropriate, most fitting committee, to review the (redacted) documents in question.
=> NSICOP MP members have an increased security clearance that the general complement of HOC MPs do not
=> the documents in question are not for public disclosure/purview
=> the showboating, grandstanding CPC/O'Foole have "pulled" their CPC MPs from the NSICOP committee with O'Foole claiming, "the committee is now being used as a political tool by the prime minister to cover up the Winnipeg lab incident"
=> a CPC motion "demands" the head of PHAC (Iain Stewart) turn over the documents in question to the House while appearing before the house... in an effective "shaming" undertaking - a procedural measure that (as the waldo understands) hasn't been used since 1913!
=> Iain Stewart (the head of PHAC) has twice refused to comply with a Canada-China relations committee order to produce those documents, saying federal Justice officials have advised him that would be a breach of privacy laws, could interfere in an ongoing police investigation and jeopardize national security.
=> in response to a question the CPC asked of him, Iain Stewart advised the firing of the 2 Chinese scientists had nothing to do with Covid-19.

and the Genius CPC MP adds to the continued CPC misinformation... imagine the government following the law, following the 'Canada Evidence Act'... as actually brought in by the Harper Conservative government!

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1751 on: June 27, 2021, 10:51:12 am »
CPC "tough" questioning... but, apparently, no accompanying CPC answers - go figure!


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1752 on: June 27, 2021, 07:37:03 pm »
yes O'Foole... it's all about you!

Quote from: CPC leader Erin O'Foole
Is it the fact that I’m the only one running to be prime minister that’s actually proud of our country and wants it to do better?

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
This coming Canada Day, I think we all need to pledge ourselves to doing what we can to continue that effort to make Canada better, all the while respecting and listening to those for whom it’s not yet a day of celebration.

I think all of us need to aspire and work hard to get to the point where everyone across this country will be able to celebrate fully all that this great country is and all it will be able to continue to be into the coming years, and know that if we’re going to be that, we all have more work to do, because that’s the story of Canada: always stepping up with more work to do.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1753 on: July 01, 2021, 09:31:23 pm »
and the Genius CPC MP adds to the continued CPC misinformation... imagine the government following the law, following the 'Canada Evidence Act'... as actually brought in by the Harper Conservative government!

... Here's what the Qonservative Party of Canada/O'Foole "know so far"

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1754 on: July 01, 2021, 10:08:35 pm »
It's pretty obvious what happened at the lab, but I think the public needs to know why they were removed.  How revealing the vague reason of removal would hurt national security is beyond me.  All they have to say is "they broke security protocols and were engaged in espionage on behalf of a foreign government" or whatever.

I think the Liberals want to keep it hush hush for political reasons because it makes them look weak on national security, especially around an election season, and they also don't want to make China's gov PO'd.
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