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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #675 on: October 26, 2020, 02:05:21 pm »
You don’t do a post mortem while treating the patient.

And yet an opposition’s job is to keep government accountable.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #676 on: October 26, 2020, 02:08:02 pm »
And yet an opposition’s job is to keep government accountable.

Playing silly games looks silly to most Canadians. The Conservatives have proposed nothing of substance since March.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #677 on: October 26, 2020, 02:32:53 pm »
Playing silly games looks silly to most Canadians. The Conservatives have proposed nothing of substance since March.

Accountability is always inconvenient.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #678 on: October 26, 2020, 02:33:32 pm »
Accountability is always inconvenient.

Accountability is different than this.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #679 on: October 26, 2020, 03:33:25 pm »
And yet an opposition’s job is to keep government accountable.

You were vehemently opposed to the NDP in BC calling an election, but you don’t seem to have an issue with Conservative Party gamesmanship to push Canada into an election... 

And you claimed to be against the “political maneuvering”....   that’s a bit hypocritical of you.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #680 on: October 26, 2020, 03:37:11 pm »
You were vehemently opposed to the NDP in BC calling an election, but you don’t seem to have an issue with Conservative Party gamesmanship to push Canada into an election... 

And you claimed to be against the “political maneuvering”....   that’s a bit hypocritical of you.

No one gave their word or signed an agreement with another party.

They can play their games and try to score points but legislation is not in danger because the Conservatives won't get enough votes to topple the government and if they do, JT will be quite justified in going to the GG and asking for an election.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #681 on: October 26, 2020, 03:51:53 pm »
No one gave their word or signed an agreement with another party.

They can play their games and try to score points but legislation is not in danger because the Conservatives won't get enough votes to topple the government and if they do, JT will be quite justified in going to the GG and asking for an election.

“Written agreement” with another political party?  That sounds really naive in a minority government situation.  The people of BC obviously didn’t think that the agreement had much force.

And as soon as the Cons think they can win an election, they will do everything in their power to force an election.   That’s no different, and you would be cheering it on. 


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #682 on: October 26, 2020, 04:58:08 pm »
“Written agreement” with another political party?  That sounds really naive in a minority government situation.  The people of BC obviously didn’t think that the agreement had much force.

And as soon as the Cons think they can win an election, they will do everything in their power to force an election.   That’s no different, and you would be cheering it on.

So written agreements between parties are only agreements if they are convenient? Why have them at all? If you aren't going to keep your word, don't give your word.

Why do you keep making excuses for people who can't keep their word? If you don't demand ethical behaviour from politicians you will never get it.

BTW, the whole Green caucus signed the agreement with the NDP, it wasn't just between Horgan and Weaver as some would like to make out.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #683 on: October 26, 2020, 07:03:25 pm »
So written agreements between parties are only agreements if they are convenient? Why have them at all? If you aren't going to keep your word, don't give your word.

Why do you keep making excuses for people who can't keep their word? If you don't demand ethical behaviour from politicians you will never get it.

In a minority gov't situation, I don't really think it's realistic to think that some written agreement is going to forestall an election forever.  That's naive.  The written agreement was clearly non-binding on any of them, so that makes it risky.

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BTW, the whole Green caucus signed the agreement with the NDP, it wasn't just between Horgan and Weaver as some would like to make out.

Not true.  The leaders of the NDP and Greens signed it.  So I can see Horgan's point of view that a new leader is a bit of a wild card... 

https://bcndpcaucus.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/05/BC-Green-BC-NDP-Agreement_vf-May-29th-2017.pdf


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #684 on: October 26, 2020, 07:25:15 pm »


You can spin it any way you want but the bottom line is Horgan broke the agreement, no one else and he was not given cause.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #685 on: October 26, 2020, 07:47:08 pm »

You can spin it any way you want but the bottom line is Horgan broke the agreement, no one else and he was not given cause.

Ok.  He broke an agreement with the Greens...  I am a Green voter, and don’t really care. 

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #686 on: October 26, 2020, 07:54:46 pm »

You can spin it any way you want but the bottom line is Horgan broke the agreement, no one else and he was not given cause.

And on the other subject, you can spin as you will. The Conservatives are needlessly disrupting parliament during a global pandemic.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #687 on: October 26, 2020, 08:07:49 pm »
Ugly US politics of the rabid right probably slanted B.C. voters towar the left. Horgan likely read it as giving him better odds this time.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #688 on: October 26, 2020, 08:30:11 pm »
Ugly US politics of the rabid right probably slanted B.C. voters towar the left. Horgan likely read it as giving him better odds this time.

Great outcome!

No.  It was a local decision.  Nothing to do with the USA.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #689 on: October 26, 2020, 08:34:54 pm »
Surprising twist - the Conservatives are ahead in the York Centre byelection.