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Offline wilber

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #330 on: April 19, 2020, 09:10:21 pm »
I've never said I was against drug care for low incomes or people in need.  I've said in the past that i'm not for universal pharmacare.  Don't you think rich people should pay for their meds or for an insurance plan?


In BC your pharmacare deductible is determined from the taxable income on your past two years income tax returns.
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« Reply #331 on: April 19, 2020, 09:16:38 pm »
Rich people pay more tax than poor people but all in all that keeps a universal health care system afloat and ours is enviable compared to what poor folks face in the US, for instance. If we can include pharmaceuticals in that such as you seem to be enjoying then so much the better. It also brings down costs because governments can buy in bulk.

What problem are you trying to solve?  Is there a problem of people not being able to afford medication?  I just don't see it.  We already have systems in place for th is for people who have lower incomes etc.

We'd have to raise taxes and then pay for the bureaucracies to administer it.  Again, I don't see enough of a problem here to justify it.  We aren't the U.S.
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« Reply #332 on: April 19, 2020, 09:26:11 pm »
What problem are you trying to solve?  Is there a problem of people not being able to afford medication?  I just don't see it.  We already have systems in place for th is for people who have lower incomes etc.

We'd have to raise taxes and then pay for the bureaucracies to administer it.  Again, I don't see enough of a problem here to justify it.  We aren't the U.S.

Thankfully we are not the US. We tend to put the care of our people ahead of corporations.

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« Reply #333 on: April 19, 2020, 10:33:42 pm »
Thankfully we are not the US. We tend to put the care of our people ahead of corporations.

I agree.  Everyone should be able to access healthcare without getting in financial trouble. 
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« Reply #334 on: April 20, 2020, 12:15:41 am »
I agree.  Everyone should be able to access healthcare without getting in financial trouble.
Sounds just like from each according to their ability and to each according to their need. I don't understand what there isn't to get either.

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« Reply #335 on: April 20, 2020, 03:37:53 am »
https://bigthink.com/dangerous-ideas/15-nationalize-drug-development

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"What's often turned out to be the case is that they report only part of their results,” says Baker.  A recent study of drug trials found that industry-funded trials reported positive outcomes 85 percent of the time, while government-funded trails had similar results only 50 percent of the time.

“The alternative I'm suggesting is you have the public pick up the full cost of research,” says Baker. “The federal government already spends about $30 billion a year on biomedical research through the National Institutes of Health,” he says, “so it's not unprecedented that the government spend on biomedical research.”




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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #336 on: April 20, 2020, 10:43:40 am »
What problem are you trying to solve?  Is there a problem of people not being able to afford medication?  I just don't see it.  We already have systems in place for th is for people who have lower incomes etc.

We'd have to raise taxes and then pay for the bureaucracies to administer it.  Again, I don't see enough of a problem here to justify it.  We aren't the U.S.

I would counter this by pointing out people who work, and have something like HIV - the costs can be catastrophic.

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« Reply #337 on: April 20, 2020, 06:22:56 pm »
I would counter this by pointing out people who work, and have something like HIV - the costs can be catastrophic.

I don't understand your point here.

People who are ill and can't work can be covered by their provincial medication insurance plans, with a small deductible usually for people on low or no incomes.  It's designed so people without much money can afford any medications or medical equipment they may need.  They'll get income to live via government social assistance, and of course necessary healthcare access paid for by provincial universal healthcare.
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« Reply #338 on: April 21, 2020, 11:19:57 am »
I don't understand your point here.

There are people who work and can't afford their medication.  Every province should have, at the very least, a comprehensive catastrophic drug program.
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« Reply #339 on: May 04, 2020, 04:21:09 pm »
I wonder what this year's budget will look like once the year is done.  Foretasted government revenues are obviously in the sh!tter due to COVID, and government expenditures are obviously skyrocketing.  It will be interesting to see what this COVID-19 will end up costing our government, and our overall economy.
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« Reply #340 on: May 04, 2020, 05:42:38 pm »
I wonder what this year's budget will look like once the year is done.  Foretasted government revenues are obviously in the sh!tter due to COVID, and government expenditures are obviously skyrocketing.  It will be interesting to see what this COVID-19 will end up costing our government, and our overall economy.

PBO said 252 billion deficit the other day, don't know what it used for revenue projections.
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« Reply #341 on: May 04, 2020, 06:00:48 pm »
PBO said 252 billion deficit the other day, don't know what it used for revenue projections.

Well that's a lot.  I assume it will be higher.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #343 on: May 12, 2020, 10:07:22 pm »
I've always estimated a trillion dollars for this event. I stand by that.  That will presumably cost the federal treasury about $10B per year for the next 30 years.
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« Reply #344 on: May 12, 2020, 10:09:50 pm »
Scratch that - it will cost absolutely nothing:

"We anticipate that debt charges will not go up, which is surprising and counterintuitive," Giroux said. "Interest rates are so much lower than what we anticipated them to be just two or three months ago. It doesn't cost that much to finance that growing debt.

"Is the government in a worrisome position right now? The answer is no."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-deficit-higher-than-252-billion-1.5566768

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