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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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« Reply #315 on: April 14, 2020, 04:29:47 pm »
Dumb f*ck Scheer has been defending his plane ride all day.  Trudeau has been defending himself too when he visited his family in QC.  F*ck these hypocrities. Elizabeth May?  Who knows what that crazy loon has been doing today, nobody seems to care.

Nice to know there's 2 separate rules for the elitist a-holes and us plebes.  I'm not as mad as I seem given my use of profanity...I just like using profanity!

For those who want to chastise Scheer but defend Trudeau (or the other way around), please voice your opinion here so we can have your partisanship and hypocrisy on record yet again.
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« Reply #316 on: April 19, 2020, 12:57:27 pm »
Some great points, especially about for-profit pharmaceuticals, and how capitalism is hurting the response to this pandemic.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/20/capitalism-is-an-incubator-for-pandemics-socialism-is-the-solution/

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Currently, multiple for-profit companies are attempting to test (sometimes new, sometimes previously rejected and now recycled) therapies to see if they can treat or prevent COVID-19. While there are attempts to produce a COVID-19 vaccine, this vaccine would not be ready for testing in human trials for a few months according to Peter Marks, the director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. Yet even last week, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar refused to guarantee a newly developed coronavirus vaccine would be affordable to all stating, “we can’t control that price because we need the private sector to invest.” The statement is ironic to say the least coming from the former top lobbyist to Eli Lilly who served at a time when the company’s drug prices went up significantly.

Canada should nationalize pharmaceutical research, development and production. 

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« Reply #317 on: April 19, 2020, 01:02:40 pm »
Canada should nationalize pharmaceutical research, development and production.

This is one of those topics that's useless without some experts to help discuss.

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« Reply #318 on: April 19, 2020, 01:45:02 pm »
This is one of those topics that's useless without some experts to help discuss.

You’re wrong of course.  People can inform themselves and have thoughtful opinions on the subject.

Interesting take on pharma’s abandoning research for medications that aren’t profitable.

https://jacobinmag.com/2013/06/socialize-big-pharma

A good podcast by Sam Harris that touches on the subject.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/166-plague-years/

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« Reply #319 on: April 19, 2020, 04:56:37 pm »
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/20/capitalism-is-an-incubator-for-pandemics-socialism-is-the-solution/

Canada should nationalize pharmaceutical research, development and production.

No they shouldn't.  Then you create a government monopoly.  Why would you do that?  What they should do is keep private research but also have well-funded national research too, best of both worlds and lots of competition to innovate.
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« Reply #320 on: April 19, 2020, 05:07:01 pm »
No they shouldn't.  Then you create a government monopoly.  Why would you do that?  What they should do is keep private research but also have well-funded national research too, best of both worlds and lots of competition to innovate.

You'd be well advised to take a look at healthcare south of the border and you' probably change your mind.

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« Reply #321 on: April 19, 2020, 05:12:47 pm »
You'd be well advised to take a look at healthcare south of the border and you' probably change your mind.

Show me a country that has nationalized it's pharmaceutical industry and has had great success and innovation and maybe i'd change my mind.  These things need to be decided based on evidence, and if it hasn't been done before I don't really want my country to be the guinea pig.
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« Reply #322 on: April 19, 2020, 05:16:37 pm »
Show me a country that has nationalized it's pharmaceutical industry and has had great success and innovation and maybe i'd change my mind.  These things need to be decided based on evidence, and if it hasn't been done before I don't really want my country to be the guinea pig.

So you don't mind if, heaven forbid you come down with a disease that requires a pill 4 times a day that costs a hundred bucks each and you end up losing your house. Donald Trump would welcome your approach.

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« Reply #323 on: April 19, 2020, 07:15:51 pm »
So you don't mind if, heaven forbid you come down with a disease that requires a pill 4 times a day that costs a hundred bucks each and you end up losing your house. Donald Trump would welcome your approach.

My province has a pharmacare plan for people that can't afford their medications, so that won't happen.
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« Reply #324 on: April 19, 2020, 07:17:21 pm »
My province has a pharmacare plan for people that can't afford their medications, so that won't happen.

I think you just contradicted yourself.

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« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2020, 07:42:17 pm »
I think you just contradicted yourself.

I think you have basic reading comprehension issues.

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« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2020, 08:00:05 pm »
I think you have basic reading comprehension issues.

You on the one hand criticize countries as to having socialized drug plans and then brag about having exactly that. Perhaps it's your thinking skills that are loacking.

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« Reply #327 on: April 19, 2020, 08:03:08 pm »
You on the one hand criticize countries as to having socialized drug plans and then brag about having exactly that. Perhaps it's your thinking skills that are loacking.



Where did he criticize that? He was critical of nationalizing the pharmaceutical industry, not pharmacare.
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« Reply #328 on: April 19, 2020, 08:04:25 pm »
You on the one hand criticize countries as to having socialized drug plans and then brag about having exactly that. Perhaps it's your thinking skills that are loacking.

I've never said I was against drug care for low incomes or people in need.  I've said in the past that i'm not for universal pharmacare.  Don't you think rich people should pay for their meds or for an insurance plan?
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« Reply #329 on: April 19, 2020, 08:20:51 pm »
I've never said I was against drug care for low incomes or people in need.  I've said in the past that i'm not for universal pharmacare.  Don't you think rich people should pay for their meds or for an insurance plan?

Rich people pay more tax than poor people but all in all that keeps a universal health care system afloat and ours is enviable compared to what poor folks face in the US, for instance. If we can include pharmaceuticals in that such as you seem to be enjoying then so much the better. It also brings down costs because governments can buy in bulk.