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Offline JMT

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #105 on: January 28, 2020, 05:53:08 pm »
Further more, this agreement is damage control. Who knows if we could have done better but it was definitely not a win for Canada, unless you consider not losing even more a win.

A status quo agreement that gave us a few things we wanted is as close to a win as anyone was going to get with Trump.  We kept him from getting most of what he wanted, also a win.  People from all political parties participated to make this agreement a reality, including Rona Ambrose.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #106 on: January 28, 2020, 06:09:24 pm »
Itís one ruling in a succession of rulings, if you took the time to look into the history of this dispute you wouldnít be so damned arrogant. But you wonít.
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« Reply #107 on: January 28, 2020, 11:16:45 pm »
Itís one ruling in a succession of rulings, if you took the time to look into the history of this dispute you wouldnít be so damned arrogant. But you wonít.

which has diddly squat to do with your incorrect statement concerning disinformation in the Freeland letter. Again, in regards softwood lumber, the letter statement in question reflects the most recent NAFTA panel ruling.

equally, your unsubstantiated opinion claiming the new NAFTA is, "a loss for Canada", doesn't account for jackShyte! Put up or STFU... hey!

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #108 on: January 28, 2020, 11:36:20 pm »
so... about that Liberal government want/intent to ban assault-type weapons during the current session. MacKay has taken his stand... again, reinforcing the CPC is the party of gunNutters!


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2020, 08:53:41 am »
which has diddly squat to do with your incorrect statement concerning disinformation in the Freeland letter. Again, in regards softwood lumber, the letter statement in question reflects the most recent NAFTA panel ruling.

equally, your unsubstantiated opinion claiming the new NAFTA is, "a loss for Canada", doesn't account for jackShyte! Put up or STFU... hey!
The most recent NAFTA ruling is one of many over the years. Softwood lumber isnít covered in the NAFTA agreement and the softwood lumber agreement expired several years ago.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2020, 09:43:25 am »
which has diddly squat to do with your incorrect statement concerning disinformation in the Freeland letter. Again, in regards softwood lumber, the letter statement in question reflects the most recent NAFTA panel ruling.
The most recent NAFTA ruling is one of many over the years. Softwood lumber isnít covered in the NAFTA agreement and the softwood lumber agreement expired several years ago.

you said you had more... still waiting!  ;D Again, the letter reflects the most recent NAFTA ruling. Again:

Sept 5, 2019 --- A joint binational NAFTA panel ruled the U.S. must "rethink" imposed tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber - given 3 months to do so. As you say, for starters, any updates here member wilber - any updates?

by the by, in regards softwood lumber, Canada has leveraged the NAFTA dispute mechanism several times in the past


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #111 on: January 29, 2020, 10:26:58 am »
you said you had more... still waiting!  ;D Again, the letter reflects the most recent NAFTA ruling/b]. Again:



As you refuse to educate yourself on the history of softwood lumber, as well as rejecting the idea that any politician would try and sell an agreement they were instrumental in negotiating, there is no point to this discussion.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2020, 11:07:57 am »
As you refuse to educate yourself on the history of softwood lumber, as well as rejecting the idea that any politician would try and sell an agreement they were instrumental in negotiating, there is no point to this discussion.

you claimed the Freeland letter was misinformation... you specifically pointed to softwood lumber tariffs. While you refused to educate yourself, the waldo has stepped in to learn ya! Again, in regards softwood lumber, the letter statement in question reflects the most recent NAFTA panel ruling. You know, the Sept 4th ruling the waldo schooled you with!  ;D

again, you said you had more... other than your unsubstantiated statements, do you... have more?

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #113 on: February 03, 2020, 05:41:19 pm »
CPC fake outrage continues over the Liberal government's $50 million incentive spend w/MasterCard. Clearly, Conservatives can't fathom a ROI that actually guarantees jobs (long term jobs - ~ 400) created with MasterCard establishing a Vancouver based 'enhanced security system' center. To CPC/Conservatives (and ConMedia acolytes), this is "corporate welfare"... and really messes with their tried/true practice of giving corporations mega tax breaks in a most presumptive (false) belief that resultant jobs will be created.

somehow, weak Andy is still playing relevant here!  ;D


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« Reply #114 on: February 03, 2020, 06:34:39 pm »
It doesn't really matter since our grandchildren will pay for it, should have given MC 100 million.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #115 on: February 03, 2020, 07:43:21 pm »
It doesn't really matter since our grandchildren will pay for it, should have given MC 100 million.

That's not how government debt works.

This $50M bought a $490M investment from MasterCard that would have went somewhere else - it's hard to see the downside.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #116 on: February 03, 2020, 08:10:25 pm »
It doesn't really matter since our grandchildren will pay for it, should have given MC 100 million.

Try doing a little simple math and you'll see those ~400 jobs will payback the 50 million in income taxes and long before the grandchildren.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #117 on: February 03, 2020, 08:15:41 pm »
That's not how government debt works.

You're right, the gov sells bonds etc to investors and then have to pay the money back to the investors plus interest when the bonds come due. Then if they still need money they sell more bonds etc. and repeat until they pay down the debt and don't need to borrow anymore.  Since our government will probably never pay down the debt (why should we?  We deserve jobs & cool stuff) we'll never have to pay for this 10 million except for the interest payments (which we'll borrow to pay for anyways) so basically this is a free investment and is awesome.

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This $50M bought a $490M investment from MasterCard that would have went somewhere else - it's hard to see the downside.

We bought this from MC?  So we own it?  I've never read that but that's great.  Vancouver has 4.9% unemployment rate but whatever, might as well give a few hundred people some jobs since we'll never have to pay the money back.

Liberals are deficit spending to stimulate job creation when there's historically low unemployment, which makes perfect sense and is exactly what Keynesian economics calls for.  What did Chretien and Martin know they're old and out of touch.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #118 on: February 03, 2020, 08:19:17 pm »
You're right, the gov sells bonds etc to investors and then have to pay the money back to the investors plus interest when the bonds come due. Then if they still need money they sell more bonds etc. and repeat until they pay down the debt and don't need to borrow anymore.  Since our government will probably never pay down the debt (why should we?  We deserve jobs & cool stuff) we'll never have to pay for this 10 million except for the interest payments (which we'll borrow to pay for anyways) so basically this is a free investment and is awesome.

We bought this from MC?  So we own it?  I've never read that but that's great.  Vancouver has 4.9% unemployment rate but whatever, might as well give a few hundred people some jobs since we'll never have to pay the money back.

Liberals are deficit spending to stimulate job creation when there's historically low unemployment, which makes perfect sense and is exactly what Keynesian economics calls for.  What did Chretien and Martin know they're old and out of touch.

Not all deficits are created alike - at current, Canadaís debt position is improving, not getting worse.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #119 on: February 03, 2020, 08:25:55 pm »
Not all deficits are created alike - at current, Canadaís debt position is improving, not getting worse.

Debt-to-GDP shows a gov's ability to pay back the debt.  If we're never going to pay it back the stat means nothing, so we might as well borrow more i say.
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