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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #945 on: November 25, 2020, 08:30:03 pm »
We all watched the citizens of the UK jump off a cliff. We almost watched the citizens of Quebec do the same thing.

What cliff?  Is London burning?  Divorces are messy, and cost some money, and lawyers have to figure things out, but despite that people go through them because they think it's best for them in the longterm.  Quebec and Britain can do whatever they want, regardless of what you or I think or want, whatever they choose they themselves will have to deal with the consequences. That's the whole point.  It doesn't matter what you or I think, people have the right to self-determination, and you wish to deny them that.  This is tyranny.

You're against referendums, and yet you're against the electoral college and support a popular vote referendum to determine the POTUS instead of people voting for representatives (the electoral college) who then vote for the POTUS.   I agree with you.  The electoral college was purposefully designed to deny "the people" direct control over determining the POTUS in case they voted in a way the elites didn't want.  Same reason why women and blacks and non-landowners originally were denied the vote:  people with power want to keep control.

The only thing consistent in your views on democratic systems is that you support the systems that ensure the policies you support win out most of the time.

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We elect representatives to make difficult decisions that we (well, you anyway) don't always understand.

This is an elitist position.  Canadians aren't stupid.  MP's are just people too.  Trudeau has a teaching degree, Harper had an economics degree, neither Trump nor Biden are geniuses, nor AOC or Ted Cruz or most politicians.  Anything our PM or MP's can understand most Canadians can understand, just give them the info.  The vast majority of politicians don't go through and read every line of every bill, they get the Coles Notes, and in Canada's case most MP's are told and whipped to vote a certain way by leadership anyways or else denied or demoted from Cabinet positions, committee positions, travel, Question Period time, or removed from caucus etc.

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Also, it was a bad move that cost the UK in more ways than it could ever gain.

You or I can think whatever we want about it but it's not our call.  There's non-British politicians in Brussels completely unaccountable to British citizens determining policy that significantly affects Brits, and Brits have every right not to want that, or want that, it's their call.  Most of the politicians in Brussels don't like Brexit either but again it's not their call.  Everyone is in a moral panic because they can't control Brits as they wish, which is the whole point.

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Please, tell me more about me. I voted for the Harper Conservatives in 2008 because I thought that the Liberals were a bad choice. I supported...

Maybe things were different in the past i dunno.  About the last 4-5 years or about however long this forum has been up I don't remember you saying hardly a negative thing about the Trudeau Liberals or their policy, and virtually all of your opinions seem to magically align with theirs, and making every excuse for them along the way.  If you wave the banner that's fine, but what annoys me is that you keep this facade pretending to be something else.

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That I tend to lean very centrist (making me often a Liberal) and I have had more direct exposure to government and it's internal workings than you.

You have no knowledge of my work history to presume this.
 
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Which is precisely why we have protections and rights that the public don't get a vote on. Tyranny of the majority is no better than what you accuse me of.

Yes a Charter/Bill of Rights protects things like minority rights, and that's good, it protects us from politicians too.  If we have tyranny of a minority as we do now vs tyranny of a majority, I choose the majority.
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