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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #735 on: November 10, 2020, 02:39:20 pm »
I always find your posts worthwhile reading Gorgeous. You have something to say that deserves consideration, even though I may not agree with you all the time.
Stay the course! it's not often anyone dow on this sort of exchange of ideas.

China has squashed domestic influence by jailing and genociding Muslim minorities inside the country.  They don't do that to feed mouths.  They do it so the Han Chinese of the country have unquestioned power and control over everything.

I think you are painting with too broad a brush when you talk about Muslim minorities being persecuted in China. I would suggest that China reacts against individual Muslims to at least the same degree as do American law enforcement. The proof is in the updding of a closer examination of the facts, but the facts must not be biased and tarnished facts as related by some authority that claims China as the enemy.

Peronally, I justify persecution of China's foes within for the large part and I haven't been shy about saying so. That being with necessary consideration of human rights limitations. I truly believe that China has embarked on the only form of government that can carry a very large nation forward in this 21st. century. It is in stark contrast to the obvious failure of the US system of greedy capitalism.

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China won't be any less ruthless to outsiders to the point that they can get away with it.  Don't underestimate their ruthlessness.  The CPC aren't the humanitarians you claim they are, and they won't stop projecting their power ruthlessly even after all mouths are fed.

China getting away with ruthlessness needs to be somehow connected to a reason for such behaviour. I reject any other reason that has been proposed by the US or any others. And so China's reaction to it's perceived enemies within needs to be tempered to the punishment suiting the crime. I haven't heard of any specific examples of it not being so, keeping in mind that treasonous activity by any individual or group of individuals is deserving of the death sentence. If an American has treasonous activities on their minds, they better not try it in China or N.K. either for that matter.

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The CPC are ultra-nationalists that make Trump look like Gandhi.

In what sense? Can you expand on that assertion?
Can there be any doubt that China has performed an humanitarian miracle by elevating hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty? Can this somehow be discounted as just 'for the good of the state', as opposed to being for the good of the people?

 
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The difference between the CPC and the Nazis is Germany didn't have 1.4 billion people they could draft in a heartbeat.


Quite true but needing a proper perspective due to the fact that you're comparing modern day China with Nazi Germany 80+ years ago. And manpower as in boots on the ground is not a major factor in a future world war. For example, the US destroyed and conquered Iraq with human losses that were insignificant in number.

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China isn't stupid, they won't project military power recklessly, not until their economy has their tentacles wrapped around most of the international economy.

And so you're telling me that it's your concerns about China that 'might be', sometime in the future, as opposed to legitimate concerns about what China is now as an aggressor nation.

The world, excepting Nato countries, sees China as a peaceful and legitimate contender for the position of the world's  leading power. Taking into consideration the M.A.D. factor, China has no other possible course than it's current course of economic domination through peaceful means.

This does perhaps leave China open to accusations of economic warfare.
I'm ready with a defense of China in that respect too.

But really, I'm much more into exploring further the issue of China's human rights abuses as you envision that to be. My opening position is that China has been justified in it's behavour as pertains to human rights. both for it's own people as well as outsiders.
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