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Offline waldo

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #975 on: November 29, 2020, 04:40:20 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
Interesting that the information came from the Moderna CEO, not the government. What he actually said was we are not that far behind other countries.


Quote from: waldo on November 29, 2020, 01:45:22 pm
re: Moderna, as one of the seven vaccine makers the {Liberal} government secured agreements with: on Aug. 5 with Moderna for 20 million doses of its mRNA vaccine, with the option to procure an additional 36 million doses - Moderna's vaccine candidate is currently in Stage 3 clinical trials and preliminary data released two weeks ago showed it appears to be 94.5 per cent effective.

Quote from: Noubar Afeyan, co-founder and chairman of Moderna
Canada is not at the back of the line. Because Canada was among the first countries to make a pre-order with Moderna, the country is guaranteed to receive a certain portion of the company's initial batch of doses — as long as the vaccine proves safe and effective and is given regulatory approval. Discussions to increase orders are ongoing.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #976 on: November 29, 2020, 04:46:08 pm »
Quote from: waldo on November 29, 2020, 04:40:20 pm


This seems to be saying that Canada could cancel out of an ineffective vaccine? Makes sense that precaustion would be taken.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #977 on: November 29, 2020, 04:53:00 pm »
Quote from: Montgomery on November 29, 2020, 04:46:08 pm
This seems to be saying that Canada could cancel out of an ineffective vaccine? Makes sense that precaustion would be taken.

yes - all agreements are conditioned upon the candidate trial success... and receiving appropriate 'regulatory review & approval'
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #978 on: November 29, 2020, 04:59:57 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
Interesting that the information came from the Moderna CEO, not the government. What he actually said was we are not that far behind other countries.

He said Canada would get doses from the initial batch.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #979 on: November 29, 2020, 05:00:55 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
Interesting that the information came from the Moderna CEO, not the government.

Why is that interesting? The government doesn't have information on which countries are in which order the way that the company would.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #980 on: November 29, 2020, 05:14:54 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2020, 04:59:57 pm
He said Canada would get doses from the initial batch.

Behind some other countries. I'm hoping we get it early, I'd love all my skepticism to be wrong and get my shots as soon as they are available.


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Why is that interesting? The government doesn't have information on which countries are in which order the way that the company would.

Why wouldn't we? We know plenty about what some other countries have ordered. How can countries plan if they don't know where they are on the list?
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #981 on: November 29, 2020, 06:54:23 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2020, 05:14:54 pm
Behind some other countries. I'm hoping we get it early, I'd love all my skepticism to be wrong and get my shots as soon as they are available.

He didn't say that in the interview. He said that Canada was the first country to secure a major order. When you closed the deal is less important that the negotiation closing date. Anita Anand is a contract law professor on leave, so....

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Why wouldn't we? We know plenty about what some other countries have ordered. How can countries plan if they don't know where they are on the list?

We know exactly what Canada has ordered. Other countries are making guesses around approval and rollout dates. Approval can't be pinpointed, nor should it be. The process has to play out. One positive from Moderna is that they seem to be willing to ship to Canada after FDA emergency use authorization even if Health Canada has not yet approved their vaccine. Pfizer apparently will not ship to Canada until Health Canada approves their vaccine, because of the unique challenges in keeping it efficacious.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #982 on: November 29, 2020, 07:14:36 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2020, 06:54:23 pm
Pfizer apparently will not ship to Canada until Health Canada approves their vaccine, because of the unique challenges in keeping it efficacious.
Apparently keeping it efficacious is not as big a challenge as we're being led to believe.  At least that's the impression I got from the Pfizer release I linked to in the COVID culture thread.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #983 on: November 29, 2020, 07:46:52 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on November 29, 2020, 07:14:36 pm
Apparently keeping it efficacious is not as big a challenge as we're being led to believe.  At least that's the impression I got from the Pfizer release I linked to in the COVID culture thread.

I think it's that Pfizer has some pretty rigorous quality controls that they want to stick to.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #984 on: November 29, 2020, 08:50:01 pm »
Perhaps its Pfizer's capacity to deal with it at the manufacturing end. Once a plane load lands at Vancouver for example however it could likely be shipped from there to the rest of BC well within the 15 days it can be stored in a cardboard box.  I'm sure its not as easy as I'm making it out but it just doesn't seem it'll be as hard to handle as first thought and especially once we have it in hand.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #985 on: November 29, 2020, 09:05:34 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
Interesting that the information came from the Moderna CEO, not the government. What he actually said was we are not that far behind other countries.

I'm not putting much faith in what any corporate spokesman or politician says here, they have every incentive to fudge the truth, we'll find out when countries start getting the vaccines.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #986 on: November 29, 2020, 09:25:13 pm »
Quote from: Gorgeous Graham on November 29, 2020, 09:05:34 pm
I'm not putting much faith in what any corporate spokesman or politician says here, they have every incentive to fudge the truth, we'll find out when countries start getting the vaccines.
By that token there's as much or more incentive to blow what isn't known out of proportion too.

Do people really think we need the military to distribute the vaccine? I can't think of anything that would freak out anti-vaxxers and conspira-tards faster.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #987 on: November 29, 2020, 09:36:47 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on November 29, 2020, 09:25:13 pm
By that token there's as much or more incentive to blow what isn't known out of proportion too.

Do people really think we need the military to distribute the vaccine? I can't think of anything that would freak out anti-vaxxers and conspira-tards faster.

Seems like a good idea to mobilize all resources to get people vaccinated but i'm not sure what the military can do, unless nurses start training them to give vaccines.  Not sure I want people trained to kill jabbing me in the arm with needles haha.  Apparently they will help with the planning and logistics of the rollout, and also going to remote rural and indigenous areas.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #988 on: November 29, 2020, 09:40:14 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on November 29, 2020, 09:25:13 pm
By that token there's as much or more incentive to blow what isn't known out of proportion too.

Do people really think we need the military to distribute the vaccine? I can't think of anything that would freak out anti-vaxxers and conspira-tards faster.

I bet none of them would complain when the military showed up to save their home from a forest fire, flood or clean up after an ice storm. All those military personnel that went in to help out in Ontario LTC homes must have been real pricks.

Why not use the military, we are already paying them.

Screw anti vaxxers and conspiratards.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #989 on: November 29, 2020, 09:45:50 pm »
Quote from: Gorgeous Graham on November 29, 2020, 09:36:47 pm
Seems like a good idea to mobilize all resources to get people vaccinated but i'm not sure what the military can do, unless nurses start training them to give vaccines.  Not sure I want people trained to kill jabbing me in the arm with needles haha.  Apparently they will help with the planning and logistics of the rollout, and also going to remote rural and indigenous areas.
I'm sure the army will have a place. I'd be just as happy leave much of the logistics up to Pfizer, Fedex, Bonnie Henry and my local health clinic.
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