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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #825 on: November 20, 2020, 11:46:05 pm »
Like I said lets try redistributing a little power and see what happens.  I've been thinking the idea of building back better should include reforming a good chunk of how we govern ourselves.  Of all the piss poor things underscored in the wake of COVID that have left us exposed and vulnerable I'd say governance tops the list.




I agree, let's start by not having a government where 39% of the votes gets a government a majority to rule all Canadians.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #826 on: November 20, 2020, 11:47:49 pm »
Just like George Dubya...never let a good crisis go to waste!
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« Reply #827 on: November 21, 2020, 11:28:24 am »
If we're going to build back better then maybe it's time to have a long hard look at China's success under their communist system that includes capitalism to flourish. Even though Canada isn't in a great rush with a need for that quite yet.

World populations are exploding and US style wars of aggression are our future as other countries try to corner the economic markets for their own people. China is showing us a way forward by PEACEFUL means.

China's nuclear weapons are allowing them to do that unimpeded by the US so far and there's no reason to think that China won't become even stronger in their military defensive measures they're taking to stop US aggression.

There are many countries that have signed on with China for a more peaceful and prosperous world. They will build back better!

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #828 on: November 21, 2020, 01:41:15 pm »



I agree, let's start by not having a government where 39% of the votes gets a government a majority to rule all Canadians.

Agreed

Someone has to form a government but lets not give all the power to a party that gets 39% of the vote.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #829 on: November 21, 2020, 01:50:53 pm »
If we're going to build back better then maybe it's time to have a long hard look at China's success under their communist system that includes capitalism to flourish.

China is showing us a way forward by PEACEFUL means.

There are many countries that have signed on with China for a more peaceful and prosperous world. They will build back better!

the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) agreement just signed: speaking of what the lameDuckTrump can't do about China's trade influence...



the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) spans 15 countries and 2.2 billion people, or nearly 30% of the world's population - their combined GDP totals roughly $26 trillion and they account for nearly 28% of global trade based on 2019 data...  China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Cambodia, Myanmar (Burma), Laos

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #830 on: November 21, 2020, 01:55:04 pm »
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #831 on: November 21, 2020, 02:22:16 pm »
Waldo, the Cons, just the same as Trump, will sell their souls for the sake of making more money. It's just that in this case they're pretending they're not in order to appear to be politically correct. And of course we know that the Cons' souls belong to big business.

There will be a lot of resistance to promoting friendly relations with China but it's going to happen. The US has nothing to offer anymore now and Biden isn't going to be looking to improve trade relations with Canada. The D's are worse than their R's on that.

The world is ready to align with China and the US has made it so with their alienating many nations that only want peace and fair trade relations for their people. Trump couldn't have come at a better time.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #832 on: November 21, 2020, 03:59:30 pm »
Waldo, the Cons, just the same as Trump, will sell their souls for the sake of making more money. It's just that in this case they're pretending they're not in order to appear to be politically correct. And of course we know that the Cons' souls belong to big business.

There will be a lot of resistance to promoting friendly relations with China but it's going to happen. The US has nothing to offer anymore now and Biden isn't going to be looking to improve trade relations with Canada. The D's are worse than their R's on that.

The world is ready to align with China and the US has made it so with their alienating many nations that only want peace and fair trade relations for their people. Trump couldn't have come at a better time.

Trump couldn't have been kicked out of the WH at a better time. Perhaps having someone take his place who is competent enough to understand what a crisis a pandemic, such as Covid 19 is, and what a detriment to our economy (for one thing) actually is, then there may be some new light at the end of the tunnel.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #833 on: November 21, 2020, 05:24:12 pm »
Agreed

Someone has to form a government but lets not give all the power to a party that gets 39% of the vote.

Well the Liberals said 2015 was going to be the last FPTP election.  But then they won a majority and thought "oh crap, if we change the system then our 39% support won't give us a majority anymore so scrap that idea!".
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #834 on: November 21, 2020, 05:30:48 pm »
Waldo, the Cons, just the same as Trump, will sell their souls for the sake of making more money.

Yes just like the Cons, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats, and everyone else.

George Bush Sr. and Mulroney negotiated NAFTA and Clinton and Chretien signed it into law.  Same shit different sandwich.
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« Reply #835 on: November 21, 2020, 05:55:02 pm »
Well the Liberals said 2015 was going to be the last FPTP election.  But then they won a majority and thought "oh crap, if we change the system then our 39% support won't give us a majority anymore so scrap that idea!".

Yup. He didn't even give people a choice.
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« Reply #836 on: November 22, 2020, 12:49:03 am »
Yup. He didn't even give people a choice.

here's your choice - ranked ballots! Enjoy... carry on!

surely you're aware the general populace is just too lazy, too unfocused, too uncaring, too... to actually inform themselves to reach an educated opinion on FPTP versus 'someKindaPR' - surely, you're aware - yes?  ;D

but wait, I understand PR systems invariably lead to coalitions - and fringe parties holding up actual governing... say it ain't so, member wilber - say it ain't so!

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« Reply #837 on: November 22, 2020, 08:42:09 am »
here's your choice - ranked ballots! Enjoy... carry on!

surely you're aware the general populace is just too lazy, too unfocused, too uncaring, too... to actually inform themselves to reach an educated opinion on FPTP versus 'someKindaPR' - surely, you're aware - yes?  ;D

but wait, I understand PR systems invariably lead to coalitions - and fringe parties holding up actual governing... say it ain't so, member wilber - say it ain't so!

Bullshit. If you look at US News list of ten best countries to live in, Canada is the only one without some form of PR.

If you look at any list of the best countries to live in, they are dominated by countries that have some form of PR.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #838 on: November 22, 2020, 09:52:47 am »
It seems waldo and JT think Canadians are too lazy, unfocused and uncaring than say Australians, were voting is mandatory and STV means their vote has consequences regardless of how they voted. Maybe that is because of a system that hands absolute power to a party that gets less than 40% of the vote and they feel their vote doesnít mean all that much.

Face it, FPP isnít about democracy, itís about power and the party in power isnít going to allow a system that will reduce that power.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #839 on: November 22, 2020, 11:44:16 am »
It seems waldo and JT think Canadians are too lazy, unfocused and uncaring...
The cheesy little smiley Waldo placed at the end of his 'tirade' against the people they most rely on said it all. Talk about lazy.